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Predictions:

Someone from Warwick poker to final table something.
Tom Dwan to strawberry floating rage and get 5 bracelets.
Joe Cada to run a boat vs flopped nuts straight. (Twice).

Names for Sunday please. PM or post or a text to me on 07789407332 will do!

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no bracelets for ivey!

Security!

Well, we've had our first real drama of the summer.

James Bord was dispensed by David "Bakes" Baker a few minutes ago to end his day early, but he lurked around long enough for John Juanda to win his match at another table. From what we gather, Bord had made a less-than-savory comment earlier in the day, and Juanda waited until his match was over to continue the conversation. When he asked Bord what the problem was, the Brit went off.

It all happened right near our desk, and it was Bord doing most of the yelling. We heard, "You're a thieving prick," "you're a disgrace", and "you're a fake and disgusting human being," among other things. Juanda was trying to get a word in edgewise, but Bord wasn't giving him space. Finally, the words came that ended the altercation. "If I see you in the parking lot, I'm going to beat your ass," Bord announced.

"Floor!" Juanda called, and both the floor staff and security were there immediately. The two men had to be separated, and the staff members took both men out of the room to settle the problem in a more appropriate spot.

Security is conducting some quick interviews with the bystanders right now, and Bord appears to be in a spot of trouble.

Day 1 of the $25k HU is done and dusted.

Day 1 Out in Two Rounds

The first-ever $25,000 Heads-Up Championship is two rounds old, and we've reduced our 128 starting players down to just 32. As you'd expect with an event with this kind of price tag, the field was small and elite and mostly made up of familiar faces. David Williams, Daniel Negreanu, Phil Laak, Jason Mercier, and Michael Mizrachi all fell to their first round opponents. Dan Cates, Erick Lindgren, Scott Seiver, David Baker, Vanessa Rousso, Jonathan Duhamel, Shaun Deeb, and Scott Clements advanced through one round before succumbing in the second round of the night.

That's a pretty solid crew of already-eliminated players, but we're still flush with talent in this thinning field. John Duthie finished second in the $10,000 Heads-Up event here in 2009, and he's still alive with a shot at Carlos Mortensen in Round 3. In the European version of the event, Gus Hansen took home a bracelet for shipping the £10,000 Heads-Up event at the WSOP-E last fall, and he'll face off against Daniel Alaei in tomorrow's first battle. We've also got Chris Moorman, Olivier Busquet, John Juanda, David Benyamine, Andrew Robl, Yevgeniy Timoshenko, and the Tom Dwan. Told you it was a stacked field.

Here's how the rest of the bracket draws out for tomorrow's money round:

David Benyamine vs. Anthony Guetti
Chris Moorman vs. Richard Lyndaker
Dani Stern vs. Jake Cody
Isaac Haxton vs. Jonathan Jaffe

Ashton Griffin vs. Tom Dwan
Daniel Alaei vs. Gus Hansen
Steve Blilirakis vs. Trevor Pope
Matt Marafioti vs. Maxim Lykov

Eric Froehlich vs. Steve Zolotow
John Duthie vs. Carlos Mortenson
Jason Smirnov vs. Darren Elias
Erik Cajelais vs. Nikolay Evdakov

Yevgeniy Timshenko vs. Amritraj Singh
Oliver Busquet vs. Andrew Robl
Kunimaro Kojo vs. Nick Shulman
David Paredes vs. John Juanda

That's all we have from the Rio for tonight, but we want to thank you for joining us today to kick off this 2011 WSOP. There's plenty more tomorrow (and for the next seven weeks), so keep your browser pointed here as we tick a few bracelets off the list. We've still got three more days of play left before we crown a champion in this event, and play resumes at 3:00 P.M. tomorrow.

Until tomorrow, all that's left is goodnight.

They are certainly in for the long run.

Haxton Juanda for the final ! (If that's possible taking draws into consideration)

Names and team have been submitted. Can change it whenever if we need to.

GAME ON.

Is there anything we need to discuss, i.e. if we end up on the same table?

I've not seen a rule set yet and have never played in anything like this.

We meed a gameplan for all occassions guys. Team tournaments play out very differently from regular ones.

DML wrote:We meed a gameplan for all occassions guys. Team tournaments play out very differently from regular ones.

Well this is the thing isn't it. Are we wanting to avoid playing hands against each other, until the very late stages?

Its tres difficile. Actively avoiding one another might actually be bad for us - as ultamitely we need one player with a load of chips. I wouldn't encourage chip-dumping - but to be folding biggish hands to avoid a confrontation is in my mind a -EV play for us in the tournament in general. I think we can start avoiding one another come the final table and try usher in a double-win then if we get 2 or more to the finbal table, but before then to do that I think is dangerous and could leave us all mini-stacks.

This is actually quite interesting because if others know you're colluding I'm sure optimum strategy differs, as usually you would try and force people out of pots. I'm not sure what's allowed but you should try and get some hand singles so you know what the other guys have.

Clearly the strategy changes depending on what other teams do. I think it is safe to assume that all teams adopt a no knockout policy in that its within their interest to keep their teammates in. It also matters knowing who is in which team. There's so much to consider during hands. It might be that people fold out a wider range if a teammate raises. It might be that they simply flat much more knowing their team's opening range.

One thing for sure is that you do not want to run into eachother earlier on. You can pass up small spots vs eachother because it doesn't matter in the long run. It's important that as many of you reach as far as possible (assuming a decent scoring structure?). You don't need signals, just a good understanding of eachother's ranges. Discuss beforehand what ranges you plan to open/3bet/4bet.

Oh and Ivey out of WSOP and suing tiltware. http://www.philivey.com/ He is so cool.

Also Kanu (warwick poker) was first out of the $25k HU. GL my predictions.

For the team game we can also help others by the big stack donating to a short stack. The chips are obviously more useful for the shortie and thus must be a +ev move for the team.

With regards to knocking each other out, the structure is such that the final table is all about luck, so rather than trying to get one big stack to the final table I think it would be +ev to get more of us there even if we all have short stacks.

So as such it is not in the teams benefit to have two of us get it all-in against each other assuming both have a reasonable amount of chips. If there is an AA v KK situation (or similar) then is there any way we can tell the other player that we have the nuts so that they can fold even a strong hand?

To be honest I'm not happy with trying to do 'signals'. You risk disqualification.

Also, is anyone up for staking me in a couple of games tonight?

DML wrote:To be honest I'm not happy with trying to do 'signals'. You risk disqualification.

Even in a team game?

satriales wrote:
DML wrote:To be honest I'm not happy with trying to do 'signals'. You risk disqualification.

Even in a team game?

It is collusion. Collusion is banned even in team games. I've also seen it fail in the past. Failure always equals DQ.

There have been a few instances where I have used 'signals' yeah, when I've been to casinos with friends in an effort to avoid knocking each other out, or raising when the other person has a strong hand (and will likely re-raise, thus saving chips).

To be honest - I havent played a team tournament that is so potentially collusion-tastic thats not online from the start - but my wariness comes from seeing people disqualified for it before live.

I think worrying about each other is a recipe for disaster as it could well prevent one of us developing a monster stack which is obviously the ideal scenario. Is it definitely the top three get paid - or is it everyones position taken into regard?

In bigger news - Ivey is not playing the WSOP in protest against Full Tilt not paying out some players. Whadda guy.

In even bigger news - I now definiotely have the funds for Sunday after a lot of toil and trouble. Don't lemme down guys!

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