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Ok. Answer me these questions DML (should I bother??)

1. What hands do you think he raises with?

2. Which ones of those does he call with/fold?

Ecno wrote:What tournament was it btw?

Was just a 4.50 on stars, nothing special.

Rex McGee wrote:Ok. Answer me these questions DML (should I bother??)

1. What hands do you think he raises with?

2. Which ones of those does he call with/fold?

Ecno wrote:What tournament was it btw?

Was just a 4.50 on stars, nothing special.

Suited Kings, Suited Aces, A-10+ 5-5+ Maybe some suited connectors (10-9, 6-7 etc)

He will definitely call Jacks, Queens, Kings, Aces

He may well call 10s - with 9s, 8s and 7s a possibility.

Definitely call A-Ko, A-Ks

A-Q, A-J, A-10 all unlikely but still possible calls. I have even seen suited Aces (A-5 etc) call thinking that its some kind of strange steal.

Against all those hands - K-Q is an underdog. In most of those situations a slight underdog - but still an underdog. The standard of play of big stacks in these tournaments isn't all that high - I don't know why you would give them the opportunity to call good when you could easily get them to call bad almost definitely in the next couple of circuits. I have seen this exact situation a fair few times now in those 180s which I am regularly playing where people stack off with A-10 all the way down to A-3 (I know!). I just think you wait for a better spot - but then thats just me, either way I believe it to be a lot more marginal then you are suggesting in THAT enviroment.

DML wrote:either way I believe it to be a lot more marginal then you are suggesting in THAT enviroment.

Well I'd like to first of all start by saying that I never implied it wasn't marginal:

I ran some ranges through stove just now and its +cEV but I think its close for $.

Is what I actually said. Although I think I am probably correct in saying you don't even understand this sentence.

What I disagreed with is your idea of what his open/calling/ open/folding ranges were and I still do. You missed out a whole lot of his opening range.

I don't know why you would give them the opportunity to call good when you could easily get them to call bad almost definitely in the next couple of circuits

Because you shouldn't pass up +EV spots. You are aware of the blinds/structure yes?

Against all those hands - K-Q is an underdog. In most of those situations a slight underdog - but still an underdog.

I know. It's obviously behind his calling range (although you seem to contradict yourself by saying their calling range is tight then propose people call off with A3). This is besides the point. The reason it is a good thing to do is because of the fold equity. This is precisely what Ecno already told you so I should not have to repeat it.

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To be honest Rex I wouldn't have even bothered replying if I didn't confuse that avatar with Sykes. I am a player still learning my trade - still finding my groove. Every inch of my experience which now results in me as a winning player is learnt at the tables - and from that experience is what I have to go on.

The fact you are suggesting 80% is a fold says it isn't marginal at all.

You may think you know better then me - but the arrogant, snidy way you go about it really pisses me off. Apparently you are already the perfect player, so you don't even need to discuss hands surely? You asked me to explain myself, I have - don't have to be so bloody rude. We aren't all Phil Iveys in here.

EDIT - Satriales said he would fold - you going to suggest HE'S a moron? No - thought not - you're just being some wierd poker bully. Enjoy it.

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FWIW I asked Luw to post the hand because I wanted to know what people thought since I didn't know what to do.

I think you completely miss the point. As has been your problem since before I can remember, you don't listen.

If you really want I can take my time and break it down for you but the 80% is nothing to do with the word marginal. I think you're confusing concepts here. There's more than one way to win chips in a hand, not just getting it all in preflop.

DML wrote:EDIT - Satriales said he would fold - you going to suggest HE'S a moron? No - thought not - you're just being some wierd poker bully. Enjoy it.

What's the strawberry floating point in trying to help you understand something? :roll:

This is why there is always going to be a ceiling for you.

Rex McGee wrote:FWIW I asked Luw to post the hand because I wanted to know what people thought since I didn't know what to do.

I think you completely miss the point. As has been your problem since before I can remember, you don't listen.

If you really want I can take my time and break it down for you but the 80% is nothing to do with the word marginal. I think you're confusing concepts here. There's more than one way to win chips in a hand, not just getting it all in preflop.

I do listen - I want to listen - but can you do it without the arrogance, without the telling me what I'm like? You've never even met me, have no idea how I play - so don't make assumptions yourself. Explain to me without the 'bully' aspect and I'll happily listen. I despise anyone talking down to anyone EVER. Do that with me in real life, and you've lost me full stop. Its my hugest pet hate.

DML wrote:I would say as much as it might be a +EV spot (the majority of the time) - the likelyhood that you will get a much better spot later are surely +EV. You definitely don't want him to call, and with too many calling stations out there willing to call with A-J, A-10 etc I would err on the side of caution. You don't neccesarily have to take down every hand when you are ahead, make every single best possible decision - just take the ones that lead you to being propelled to win. I am not a fan of K-Q, and especially K-Qo - thats a hand I'd want to be shipping, not be re-shipping over some-one else.

I basically agree with this. Even if it's a tiny bit more +ev to make the shove, i'd rather skip it and find much better spots later on.

Although if it is a 180-man and you are 6-tabling them or something then i'l be more likely to do the shove, but in a scheduled MTT I think I play safe and wait for a better chance.

I'm happy shoving there. Fact is while the structure in the 4.50's is decent you still need to take every chance you can get to accumulate chips late on. As we can see in the HH the guy's not been overly tight and while the hand sample of 1.1k hands for Luw doesn't tell us how he's been playing in this particular game, it's probably a safe guess to think he hasn't been out of line too much, so he probably won't get looked up too light.

Those of you folding here, what's the worst hand you get in with?

Rex McGee - $552

Came 11th in the 17.5k for $16X

Quite annoying since like 4k for first but nvm.

PS GG Luw. What a staking decision! He just took another one down. :mrgreen:

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I've only gone and done it again!

2 wins in 20 (that's 2 wins, 1 6th place and 5 min cashes!) . Once again staked by rex. Some hands for ya:

My bet sizing is wayyyyyy off on the river:

lol donkaments

Last hand of the tournament taken down with my favourite hand.

This final table was exceedingly soft. 'Fold and shake hands' - it was that easy. (Quote rex requote a famous poker player)

Can just check my thoughts on Luw's first hand. I was watching it live and said he should have be more on the river. I felt that after the guy called the turn his range had busted flushes and top pair/2nd pair hands in it. I felt if he was calling his bet he was calling much more, otherwise folding so bet big to maximise value when he has something.

I think he shouldn't be completing that hand. It's 5 high just pitch it and save the SB.

I realised that too when reviewing it but that aside?

ul in the 10k last night btw.

Sorry to break topic but this needs to be finalised ASAP without leaving it to the last minute.

Rex McGee wrote:http://www.grosvenorukpokertour.com/Prizes/Goliath/

Anyone consider this? You can stay at ours (in Coventry) and we could provide transport to the venue as well.

For the record I am definitely in but I can only play Day C. I'll be taking the Friday off of work and travelling up to Coventry on Thursday evening. Thankfully I won't need to rush back thanks to it being a bank holiday weekend.

What happened in this 10k?

I would play that tournament, but I think I'd need to be staked half of the amount to really be able to justify it, at least. Might have to give it a miss.

EDIT - Just checked train costs, will probably have to give it a miss

Rex might stake you. Probably the only one who could afford to!

Just checked the trains - I can get there and back for under £25 total which is pretty sweet, I'll book the tickets tonight. I'll sort out my leave at work tomorrow.

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I have one of the G casino dealers on facebook. I've asked them if we can pre reg for 1C.

I could take some action.

Drumstick wrote:Sorry to break topic but this needs to be finalised ASAP without leaving it to the last minute.

Rex McGee wrote:http://www.grosvenorukpokertour.com/Prizes/Goliath/

Anyone consider this? You can stay at ours (in Coventry) and we could provide transport to the venue as well.

For the record I am definitely in but I can only play Day C. I'll be taking the Friday off of work and travelling up to Coventry on Thursday evening. Thankfully I won't need to rush back thanks to it being a bank holiday weekend.

What happened in this 10k?

Nothing bad, I got tilted though because I got a message from the online chat telling me at about 12:30 there'd be a server restart at 3. Now the 30r usually finishes about 3:30. So I tried to talk to customer support but didn't get a resposne for 40 minutes then gave up. So I figured I'd try to secure the min cash rather than go for the win because I'd be disconnected at the FT anyway so I got really tight and pissed off.

Was also massively pissed at that message. It's pretty stupid that they can send that message out so late. I'd be in the 17.5 for 4 hours and I get a message saying in 2 hours the servers will be down for WHill. Again no response from the chat operators. Pretty terrible service really.

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