The Poker Thread

PsychicSykes wrote:
Goldomov, Oblincense and Myrrhblomov wrote:I... have no desire to play poker.

Haven't for about a week now. Unfortunately, I do have this kind of personality where I get obsessed with something for a short period of time then move onto something else. Hmm.

It happens sometimes bro. Just give it some time off and see if you feel more like it in a few days/weeks etc.

Just after I posted that a friend who I haven't seen for quite a while rang and asked if I wanted to play tonight. He knows about my knee so is going to pick me up and drop me back. Hopefully I'll be back on it after a successful game tonight!

Hope you did well man

Playing $10 Super Turbo SnG atm and won my last 7 of 8, giving me a profit of $84 so far

My EV certainly doesn't agree, and I have sucked out with some hands like A7 vs JJ, but it's happened to me too, so meh.

EDIT - Up at the same amount, but should have been more. Some guy donated all his chips but 140 to me with J6 on the second hand and then he wins all his 40%s and some less likely ones to beat me :lol:

Nova wrote:Hope you did well man

Thanks, I did win in the end and it was nice to get out the bloody house.

There were only five of us but as soon as my pocket aces lost to a flopped full house I knew it would be a good night! It actually always seems to bode well when bullets get cracked early on - I've won two tournaments when that's happened. 8-)

Props on the super turbo success! I hate blinds going up quickly so haven't tried them yet.

Well I'm not sure it's really my kind of poker. Quick but not that much fun, pokerwise. My roll is $250 now, so I might start heavily hitting the 5$ SnGs and 180-mans for now.

I was reading about the HU Super Turbos on 2+2 and the majority of people there say they aren't beatable in the long term even with rakeback.

Santa wrote:I was reading about the HU Super Turbos on 2+2 and the majority of people there say they aren't beatable in the long term even with rakeback.

I decided to cut loose with my winnings for now. I've been winning but I can't help but feel it's because I've been running so well.

We are back. It didn't go as well as hoped but will expand later.

What site are you playing on nova?

I am playing micro stakes super turbo on fulltilt/fulltilt27%rakeback account at the moment as it's the quickest way to play around. I've lost endless amounts of 70/30s 60/40s but have still managed to break even.

Still have it set somewhere in the back of my mind that super turbos have very specific ethos. In the very long run in knowing your edges + volume play = profit.

Has anybody got any ideas about the next level of stakes, say $5+ super turbos up to $10. Is it loser and easier to play?

I've been playing some 10$ Super Turbos on WH but I understand opinions that they are break-even in the long term. I liked the speed of them, and it's nice when you go on a little run, but your edge is reduced over 'real' poker, if you know what I mean.

Well I completely disagree. If you have 30% rakeback over 1000 games you pay 50 buyins of rake. You get 15 of them back so you pay 35 buyins of rake over 1000 games meaning you need to win 500+17.5 games to breakeven. That's a winrate of 51.7% to make them worth playing. I'm pretty damn confident playing against the likes of 3mark who sits with me for like 10 games in a row at the $50s I can turn this winrate.

His last 250 games are superturbos (I cannot search back anymore) and he has an ROI of -13%. If you have a winrate of 50% you have a ROI of -5%. This means the other 8% is going somewhere. 5% is someone else paying rake and 3% is in someone's pocket, e.g. me.

Perhaps I am just being naive and on a rungood but I will post my graph later (on laptop atm) but I think I have a quite nice EV line of a reasonable sample. Can I have a link to the topic where they discuss this on 2+2? I agree that at higher stakes it's way higher to get an edge and you need to play regular games but at the lower stakes I am confident I have an edge.

18,031 $3 $280 1% $46,190 Hot 89 iPoker SNG Only

Stanley666 plays almost exclusively super turbos at $200+ average stake and has 46k profit. Does he really believe he is just running good? I don't think so.

That's quite delicious. Maybe I just don't like them then :lol:

I need to get some RB sorted.

Rakeback is massively important if you are playing these games. You also need to play hundreds of these to get an idea of how good you are.

So how did the Coventry tournament go?!

Sniffington is next to me now typing up a tourney report. I'm currently playing more HU games. On a winning streak of 8.

I guess now I will do the meet write up from my perspective.

Slayer arrived on Friday evening around 2am after Aaron and I picked him up. In the morning we all went to Tesco (and Halfords due to some car trouble) to pick up some snacks and stuff. Sykes arrive around half five and we set off after some short games on Mario Party.

After Sykes registered with the casino, we headed down to register for the tournament, unlike last time we weren't waiting around for long. I found my table (table 3) quite quickly and sat down. The player who was going to deal for the table looked almost exactly like an older version of Tom Dwan (Dwan Sr), it was uncanny. Surprisingly, Slayer then walked over to my table and sat down to my right.

After receiving my starting stack of 7500 I look around and see Rex on table 2 (with Gary the limper!), plus Sykes and Aaron on table 4. The first hand I got involved with was T2hh, it limped around to me in the small blind and I called. The flop contained AQhh. I checked as did the others and I saw a free turn where I made my flush. I bet out and got one caller. The river was a blank and I check min-raised the man opposite me (Martin). He said "I guess my two pair isn't good enough then" and elected to fold. I don't really remember too much else from the early stages although I picked up AJ UTG twice in a row, and getting two callers both times, including the big blind who loved to defend. However I completely missed the flop on both occasions and just decided to give up because these guys were calling people down with second and third pair.

The next hand I picked up AKcc UTG however and raised it up. Martin commented on how this was the third time I'd raised his blind. He called again as did the button and yet again I couldn't hit. I did however decide to fire off a continuation bet this time hoping that my passive approach to prior hands would pay dividends. It didn't. They both called my bet and it was then checked all the way down. Button showed KQ and the BB showed his favourite 75 to take it down with 4th pair. The guy on my left went bust within the first two blind levels. He called Dwan Sr's all in with AK, however the latter's JJ held. It then seemed like an age passed before I played another hand.

I have around 6500 at this time and look down to see JJ UTG. I min-raise to 400 and annoyingly everyone folds except the big blind. Flop comes KJX with two spades. I bet it and the BB insta folds. Around this time Slayer sees that Aaron is out and after folding some rubbish hand I wandered over and we had a quick chat. He tells me he was quite card dead and that a player who is in every hand just keeps winning everything. His final hand is in the big blind when after four have limped, he pushes with AQ and the blinds are about to swallow him up. He is insta called with QQ and unlike Darvin he does not hit his ace.

Just before the first break I look over to Rex's table and he involved in a big pot. He has got it all in with AK vs AA. He loses and after doubling early with QQ vs 44 (WTF?) He was down to his final 1k or so. The first break then followed. I still have about 6500, Slayer has around a starting stack, and Sniff Jr has around 6k (after apparently almost going bust in the first ten minutes :lol:

). We share hands and knowledge of other players, apparently Sykes had aces twice! After the break we headed back to our tables. We have been joined by 'Mafro' and a guy who I will see later. He is very tight and likes to limp semi-decent aces from early position. We can call him Neil for now, and there is a spare seat to my left. Can you guess what happens now?

Sykes joins the table at about the same time Rex is knocked out (55 < 66). Seeing as the remaining three of us are on the same table now, Aaron and Rex are spectating us and Aaron urges me to go all in every hand. I blind down to 4500 and have to push with KQ UTG. Martin is frustrated that I am doing this in his BB and he tanks like for ages. He asks me if I want a call and I shrug my shoulders. He folds and says he had AT and I flash him my cards. He bemoans his fold and then sees that I would have paired my king on the flop. The next thing I remember is Dwan Sr pushing in his remaining 3k in early position. I look down at 88 and decide to come over the top. It proves to be a good decision as he shows sixes and I move up to around 10k. I then pop to the rest rooms and come back to find that Slayer has been eliminated, leaving just Sykes and myself.

Sykes gets all in with Mafro: K9hh vs AKo. Sykes flops a flush and Mafro throws a strop. I don't remember too much after this except getting a walk in one of my blinds before moving table as we are down to two. I picked up JJ on the button and went all in. Martin, who has also been moved to this table, and is again in the big blind asks for a count. The dealer counts it up and he calls. When he puts his hand down the top card, an ace, is covering the lower card and I fear I am up against AA. He shows AKcc and we are flipping. The flop came great for me though, I flopped jacks full to double to 17k and effectively cripple Martin. Again though I am pretty short and pushed with TT and ATdd with no callers. Sadly Sykes is next to fall, he gets all in with tens vs. KQ vs. KQ when the other two both make two pair.

Eventually after a few more eliminations we reach the final table. I am in a similar position to the last time; very short stacked. The table is as follows.

Seat 1: Bald guy who I have played about three hands with.
Seat 2: Man who I have no info on
Seat 3: Chip leader who is ok, not great
Seat 4: Wendy, played with her and Neil at the last table. She's seems ok. I laid down top pair to her in my BB
Seat 5: Asian lady who was on my starting table. She's not great but not bad.
Seat 6: Another guy who I have no info on
Seat 7: 'Andrew', very very tight according to Rex and Sykes.
Seat 8: Me
Seat 9: Neil

First big hand is when seats 3 and 6 collide. 6 raises it up and 3 pushes all in from the small blind. Surprisingly 6 calls with no hesitations and I was expecting someone to have a big pocket pair, instead they flip over AQ and AJ. AJ makes broadway when the king hits the river after AQ flops top two. Seat 6 is understandably annoyed. I then pick up tens UTG and ship my 15k into the middle. The big stack was thinking about calling but folded, as did everyone else and I move up to 19k. Next hand I see is 55 which also goes into the middle. A couple of players aren't happy that I am just pushing every time I want to play a hand but don't seem to realise that a) I am severely short stacked, and b) limping with such a stack is terrible.

Sadly my run came to an end with the next hand I played. I picked up AT UTG and my chips go in. The asian lady in seat 5 looks at her cards and ponders. She glances at her stack which is around the same as mine, and calls, however it is clear she isn't too thrilled with her hand. Andrew in the big blind tells his friend Neil that he's going to take a risk. Neil seems confident that Andrew has at least AQ, however he says he doesn't have an ace or a pair, so it would appear I have a good chance to triple up.

My AT is up against the lady's 33 and Andrew's KQss. Flop comes AJ3. I don't remember what the turn and river came, but the asian lady trippled up to just over 30k and I am next to out with 5.5k and my big blind next of 4k. I go all in with my T6dd and whilst the flop gives me a straight draw it doesn't get there and I am out in 8th.

I am not too disappointed though as I wasn't expecting to make the final table again. I felt that if I could have got hold of some chips then I'd have been in with a great chance of at least cashing but perhaps next time.

Tourney was meh. I actually got a good table draw. Gary was there from the last write up and I had donks to my right and a couple of younger tight lads to my left though one did seem a bit creative at times.

I got involved with KJ early on. Flopped top pair and the dealer who I didn't really know bet into me. I raised. He called. Turn still had J as top pair. He bet like 3k and I was like WTFmon and folded. He showed A6 and thought he was awesome. I clicked his profile and put a note on him which proved useful later.

Later I got QQ UTG. Opened to 300. He makes it 1500 or something stupid. I have about 5k at this point. I just stack them up and push. He insta calls with 44. He asks if I have a pair. I flip over queens and his reaction = mega lol. I doubled to something like 11.5k.

From here I was commanding the table pretty well actually. Built it up but ending up giving up a hand for about 3k. So I was on 10k at the break time. Blinds were 100/200. I'd been opening a lot of pots and the guy to my left had 3bet me twice now and I had folded both of them. I opened AK to 800 with some limpers involved. He made it something over 2k some other short stacker raised AI for like 3.Xk then I shipped in exactly the same way as with the QQ hand expecting him to fold like a ton of his 3bet range. He had AA, FML.

I was down to 1k exactly! Got AI A5 suited. Guy makes a straight but I river a flush. Then double again KJ vs 97 (wtf call lol from Mrs New York).

Then I have about 4.Xk. 200/400. Shove 55 UTG+2 and some guy with only like 2k more than me calls with 66 and I don't hit. Not too sure why he called but meh. Gambol I suppose. Not the best tournament ever. Had lots of fun here though playing games in the evening.

Corazon de Leon

Mafro? Who actually went to this meet again?

EDIT: Only beem skimreading. My mistake.

Me, Drumstick, Aaron (rocketman), Sykes and Slayerx

Most of the stuff's been covered but a few points from the meet that were missed from my point of view.

Firstly, I am the king of getting cars to start. I awaken those mothers from the dead like a ritualistic zombie plague. 8-)

I didn't start the tournament great, missing the opening couple of hands due to being in the toilet attempting to clean my hands with the worlds worst hand dryers. Then when I got to my seat I picked up Jacks in the small blind immediately and proceeded to donk off about 2.5k (Starting stacks were 7.5) Following this shortly after I managed to pick up Aces. I made a decent sized raise pre and got it HU to the flop which was T55 with two clubs. I bet about 3/4's of the pot and got called with the turn coming down a blank. I check-raised the woman who called 3x her bet which was about 2/3's the pot (My raise not her bet) she called and the river came the Jack of clubs completing the flush. Check, check and my Aces were good. I then proceed to donk off some more chips with some bad calls when I river two pair several times on straightened boards and should have folded, but donated anyway.

When the blinds went up to 100/200 I had 1750 so I elected to bring some of my online style and get shoving. In late position it was folded around and as I had KQo I stuck it in, only to get called by...KQ, much to the hilarity of the rock who called me. Very next hand I'm dealt 44, stick it in and am called by a relatively tight guy who has AT. 4 on flop, double up. This seemed to set a trend as there were about 4 allins on the table in the next 15 minutes, including one from the guy who I doubled through saying "What do you expect, I'm on mega tilt." :lol:

I should add while this was going on Aaron was slowly being bled dry by running into various hands when he had something slightly weaker. As such he was wearing the expression of somehow who either going to fall asleep at the table or start pulling chunks of hair out. A lot of his frustration was caused by the guy on my right who was playing lots of pots aggressively, knew the dealer and most the players by name and bragged about making a £109 final table in Walsall. Didn't mention where he finished though... :roll:

He also loved to give a big speech with a crap hand on the river which is something I would have mentioned had he not busted out shortly after. Aaron joined him when someone decided they'd want to play QQ multiway and limp called his AI with AQs. I got AA last hand before the break and picked up a pot worth about 1.5k which was nice.

As stated I got the move so I was in the seat next to Drummy and Slayer across the table from the guy Drum christened Maf, who seemed a decent enough player. Lots of folding followed as there were lots of multiway pots by people who didn't like to fold and I watched as our 3 chip stacks slowly eroded. As the blinds were going up shortly I decided to shove from MP with Q9cc and Maf started thinking. I focused on staring at the table and ignored everything as he did his best to provoke a reaction by waving, pulling faces and talking. Then he folded and I told Drummy that I had 99, hoping Maf would hear. (Sorry for the lie bro!) A little later I shoved from the cutoff with K9hh and Maf gave a little speech about "not folding this time." Obviously not when you've got AK lol. As the dealer had left our table Maf had taken over the role and promptly dropped two hearts for the flop on the first two cards before shaking his head and rolling over a third one to ship me the pot on the flop.

Not a lot happens after this, until I get moved to another table as the field was reduced to 18. I fold a fair bit with few chips coming my way, until I get to the bustout hand. Maf shoves from UTG with about 7ish big blinds, the big stack who hasn't played many hands flats in MP and I elect to shove my TT in the SB to hopefully isolate Maf with a fair bit of dead money in the pot and good equity against what I thought was a fairly wide range of his. Big stack guy calls fairly quickly which made me thinking I'd be dodging 3 or 4 overcards between them when they flip over KcQs and KsQc respectively. Queen on the flop and King on the turn does for me and I bust in 16th or 17th place. Shame as had I won that hand I would have made it past 30k when the average was about 23k and given the majority of nits in the field would have fancied my chances to take it down. Alas, as it turns out it wasn't to be for any of us, but was a fun experience.

PS: Don't make me play Monkey Ball Golf again please.

Just played 3 super turbo HU and won them all within 10 mins 8-)

Ok they were only $5 :oops:

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