The Star Trek Spoilers Thread

[Hexx]

Yes - which should have been news to everyone (no one's seen a Romulan!). Except it was ignored

/geek.

You're really scraping the barrel now, Hexx. The camera was pointed at Spock's face, so you couldn't see anyone's reactions. Plus, how do we know it was news anyway? For all we know, it could have been common knowledge.

Not really

Because it's been shown before that it wasn't?

Besides it's a minor point that only die hard trekkies will pick up (they're FURIOUS over the seemingly Stardate mix up ).

But it's symptomatic of the film - it's neither an amazing action film, or an amazing Star Trek film. It's hobbled by attempting to be a mis match of both.

It actually seems to be doing best with "Casual Trekkies" who can now be un-ashamed.

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Yes - which should have been news to everyone (no one's seen a Romulan!). Except it was ignored

/geek.

You're really scraping the barrel now, Hexx. The camera was pointed at Spock's face, so you couldn't see anyone's reactions. Plus, how do we know it was news anyway? For all we know, it could have been common knowledge.

Not really

Because it's been shown before that it wasn't?

Besides it's a minor point that only die hard trekkies will pick up (they're FURIOUS over the seemingly Stardate mix up ).

But it's symptomatic of the film - it's neither an amazing action film, or an amazing Star Trek film. It's hobbled by attempting to be a mis match of both.

As I've said before, this is a new timeline, so you have to ignore previous canon. In previous canon, Amanda is still alive, and Vulcan is still intact.

[Peter Crisp]

The fact that Vulcan is part of the Federation and has been since the start it's safe to assume they may have told some people about the Romulan's. It may not be common knowledge among the general public but I should imagine people high up in Starfleet would know just in case they encountered them.

[Hexx]

As I've said before, this is a new timeline, so you have to ignore previous canon. In previous canon, Amanda is still alive, and Vulcan is still intact.

Not a new timeline when the Kelvin first meets though

Oh wait. Switch brain off. Just believe what film tells you (such as it takes 4 times longer to get from Vulcan to Earth than other way )

Let's not even get started on direction/editing (I knew in the first 10minutes I wasn't gonna like this aspect of the filum )

[Oh Teh Noes]

ITT: Hexx is wrong.

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As I've said before, this is a new timeline, so you have to ignore previous canon. In previous canon, Amanda is still alive, and Vulcan is still intact.

Not a new timeline when the Kelvin first meets though

The point when the "lightening storm" first appears is the start of a new timeline, as it simply wouldn't have happened in established canon. The Kelvin investigates the storm, Kirk takes command, rams the romulan ship, and it all goes from there. They've even covered themselves for the old "assignment badge" question there, as they can simply say that Starfleet used the arrowhead symbol to celebrate the Kelvin and George Kirk's sacrifice at an earlier time than previously established.

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ITT: Hexx is wrong.

Agreed.

[Hexx]

As I've said before, this is a new timeline, so you have to ignore previous canon. In previous canon, Amanda is still alive, and Vulcan is still intact.

Not a new timeline when the Kelvin first meets though

The point when the "lightening storm" first appears is the start of a new timeline, as it simply wouldn't have happened in established canon. T

Yep - Also the first chance those people would have seen Romulans...but that's ignored.

As I said it's only something a die-hard trekkie would get worked up over - and that's not who this film is catering for - As I said before - it could work as a "totally new story", or as an "in continuity story" - but they made it a hodge podge combination and film suffers for it.

There's far worse flaws in the film than that

[Skippy]

I award the world's first Prequel/Sequel/Reboot the highest *** ever awarded to a film by me.

Hugely entertaining due to an amazing cast but the film on a whole seemed a bit messy, I'm not sure how to put it. Basing the story around making it a reboot was a great idea but it seemed like they strived for that too much. I can't put it into words, I guess I have to see it again

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I award the world's first Prequel/Sequel/Reboot the highest *** ever awarded to a film by me.

Hugely entertaining due to an amazing cast but the film on a whole seemed a bit messy, I'm not sure how to put it. Basing the story around making it a reboot was a great idea but it seemed like they strived for that too much. I can't put it into words, I guess I have to see it again

The trick here is not to think of it as a reboot, but to consider it as an alternate timeline. As I said before, quite clever, as they can now do what they want with it, without messing up established canon.

[LewisD]

So, I'm wanting to watch this new film, having never really been into star trek.

But why the strawberry float can't I find any torrrents?

[gaminglegend]

I award the world's first Prequel/Sequel/Reboot the highest *** ever awarded to a film by me.

Hugely entertaining due to an amazing cast but the film on a whole seemed a bit messy, I'm not sure how to put it. Basing the story around making it a reboot was a great idea but it seemed like they strived for that too much. I can't put it into words, I guess I have to see it again

The trick here is not to think of it as a reboot, but to consider it as an alternate timeline. As I said before, quite clever, as they can now do what they want with it, without messing up established canon.

well sort of the same thing isn't it? reboot/alternate timeline, because that why the film was made, to kick start the franchise again. Reboot with new actors playing characters, and this alternate timeline is at least in paraphrase a reboot of the original series so far as being able to create new stories and characters in the future.

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So, I'm wanting to watch this new film, having never really been into star trek.

But why the strawberry float can't I find any torrrents?

Give it time, the advance screenings were only today.

Also, did anyone else watch it expecting a big Deus Ex Machina at the end that never came? I think that surprised me more than anything else, and it showed that it was no longer Brannon Braga in charge.

[Hexx]

I award the world's first Prequel/Sequel/Reboot the highest *** ever awarded to a film by me.

Hugely entertaining due to an amazing cast but the film on a whole seemed a bit messy, I'm not sure how to put it. Basing the story around making it a reboot was a great idea but it seemed like they strived for that too much. I can't put it into words, I guess I have to see it again

I'd agree witha 3/5 or 6/10 rating.

The trick here is not to think of it as a reboot, but to consider it as an alternate timeline

Yes - but the film spends alot of time a) explaining((or more to the point depending on) the continuity it's in and b) explaining how it's a reboot.

And it suffers for it. If they'd just done a straight "new story" - it would likely have been much stronger. But due to the time/effort to show it's an "in continutiy reboot" (if there is such a thing ), the film suffers.

[LewisD]

So, I'm wanting to watch this new film, having never really been into star trek.

But why the strawberry float can't I find any torrrents?

Give it time, the advance screenings were only today.

Ah my bad... thought it'd been out for a week or so...

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As far as I'm aware, this is the first time ever that a series has tried the alternative timeline approach to new films, so you can probably forgive them a little time to explain it.

[Skippy]

As far as I'm aware, this is the first time ever that a series has tried the alternative timeline approach to new films, so you can probably forgive them a little time to explain it.

Well it's probably the only series that could explain it

I don't see that working for Batman or Bond

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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/t ... _trek_film

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[Oh Teh Noes]

I also thought it was clever that they'd opted for the alternate timeline. They can pretty much do whatever the strawberry float they want now.

Within reason.

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I also thought it was clever that they'd opted for the alternate timeline. They can pretty much do whatever the strawberry float they want now.

Within reason.

Of course. They have stated that they intend to keep true to the characters' personalities. But anything else, really, is fair game, as far as I can see.