Terminator Salvation?

Sarah Conner Chronicles: Series 1 = all kinds of awesome

Even season 2 has its moments.

I just finished watching the 2 series of the Sarah Connor Chronicles and actually quite liked it. Its obviously nowhere near the quality of T1 and T2 but it has some great moments. It’s a shame it was cancelled before they finished up the storyline with the Garbage woman.

TravelJug wrote:I just don't get how Skynet became "self-aware."

SkyNet was a super-computer that just one day developed sentient awareness. It happened in the film and it WILL happen in the near future in real life. then we all gonna get raped

Agent47 wrote:Concerning Salvation, there's a big hole in the story that bugs me no end: how the strawberry float does Skynet know Kyle Reese is John's father? Only John, Sarah (dead) and Kyle from the future (also dead) know that, so how the strawberry float does Skynet know?

I've been thinking about this, maybe it didn't know, it's possible that it only put Kyle at the top of the list because it found out John was looking for him.

It obviously finds out later when John tells Marcus, but before that...it probably only wanted him because John did.

Sarge wrote:

Agent47 wrote:Concerning Salvation, there's a big hole in the story that bugs me no end: how the **** does Skynet know Kyle Reese is John's father? Only John, Sarah (dead) and Kyle from the future (also dead) know that, so how the **** does Skynet know?

I've been thinking about this, maybe it didn't know, it's possible that it only put Kyle at the top of the list because it found out John was looking for him.

It obviously finds out later when John tells Marcus, but before that...it probably only wanted him because John did.

i think the best possible explanation for how SkyNet knew about Kyle is: (and bear with me in case this doesn't make much sense)

maybe Skynet from the future (circa 2029) came back into the past (2018) and told Skynet that this Kyle Reese person would become the father of its enemy, and that if he survived Skynet would fall. Don't know if anyone else noticed but in one scene in the labour camp/factory with all the people being herded about you could see these shadowy people looking down on the people through a window in the background (blink and you'll miss it though). maybe they were future terminators looking for Kyle?

bit out there but it could work

J-Preezy wrote:

Sarge wrote:

Agent47 wrote:Concerning Salvation, there's a big hole in the story that bugs me no end: how the **** does Skynet know Kyle Reese is John's father? Only John, Sarah (dead) and Kyle from the future (also dead) know that, so how the **** does Skynet know?

I've been thinking about this, maybe it didn't know, it's possible that it only put Kyle at the top of the list because it found out John was looking for him.

It obviously finds out later when John tells Marcus, but before that...it probably only wanted him because John did.

i think the best possible explanation for how SkyNet knew about Kyle is: (and bear with me in case this doesn't make much sense)

maybe Skynet from the future (circa 2029) came back into the past (2018) and told Skynet that this Kyle Reese person would become the father of its enemy, and that if he survived Skynet would fall. Don't know if anyone else noticed but in one scene in the labour camp/factory with all the people being herded about you could see these shadowy people looking down on the people through a window in the background (blink and you'll miss it though). maybe they were future terminators looking for Kyle?

bit out there but it could work

Nah, that doesn't explain why Skynet didn't have Reese killed as soon as it took him out of the line/just have him shot to bits by the mini gun toting, bandana wearing T-600.

Anyway, I also noticed that shot, I thought it was more of glimpse at the T models. One was the T-800, another looked like the T-1000, one looked like the T-X, and a fourth new model. (probably based on John/another member of the resistance.)

Sarge wrote:

J-Preezy wrote:

Sarge wrote:

Agent47 wrote:Concerning Salvation, there's a big hole in the story that bugs me no end: how the **** does Skynet know Kyle Reese is John's father? Only John, Sarah (dead) and Kyle from the future (also dead) know that, so how the **** does Skynet know?

I've been thinking about this, maybe it didn't know, it's possible that it only put Kyle at the top of the list because it found out John was looking for him.

It obviously finds out later when John tells Marcus, but before that...it probably only wanted him because John did.

i think the best possible explanation for how SkyNet knew about Kyle is: (and bear with me in case this doesn't make much sense)

maybe Skynet from the future (circa 2029) came back into the past (2018) and told Skynet that this Kyle Reese person would become the father of its enemy, and that if he survived Skynet would fall. Don't know if anyone else noticed but in one scene in the labour camp/factory with all the people being herded about you could see these shadowy people looking down on the people through a window in the background (blink and you'll miss it though). maybe they were future terminators looking for Kyle?

bit out there but it could work

Nah, that doesn't explain why Skynet didn't have Reese killed as soon as it took him out of the line/just have him shot to bits by the mini gun toting, bandana wearing T-600.

Anyway, I also noticed that shot, I thought it was more of glimpse at the T models. One was the T-800, another looked like the T-1000, one looked like the T-X, and a fourth new model. (probably based on John/another member of the resistance.)

Maybe we'll see this whole section again from another point of view later on in one of the sequels? That has to be done well though so it doesn't appear like an indulgence on behalf of the director. GTA4 I'm looking at you.

Sarge wrote:

J-Preezy wrote:

Sarge wrote:

Agent47 wrote:Concerning Salvation, there's a big hole in the story that bugs me no end: how the **** does Skynet know Kyle Reese is John's father? Only John, Sarah (dead) and Kyle from the future (also dead) know that, so how the **** does Skynet know?

I've been thinking about this, maybe it didn't know, it's possible that it only put Kyle at the top of the list because it found out John was looking for him.

It obviously finds out later when John tells Marcus, but before that...it probably only wanted him because John did.

i think the best possible explanation for how SkyNet knew about Kyle is: (and bear with me in case this doesn't make much sense)

maybe Skynet from the future (circa 2029) came back into the past (2018) and told Skynet that this Kyle Reese person would become the father of its enemy, and that if he survived Skynet would fall. Don't know if anyone else noticed but in one scene in the labour camp/factory with all the people being herded about you could see these shadowy people looking down on the people through a window in the background (blink and you'll miss it though). maybe they were future terminators looking for Kyle?

bit out there but it could work

Nah, that doesn't explain why Skynet didn't have Reese killed as soon as it took him out of the line/just have him shot to bits by the mini gun toting, bandana wearing T-600.

Anyway, I also noticed that shot, I thought it was more of glimpse at the T models. One was the T-800, another looked like the T-1000, one looked like the T-X, and a fourth new model. (probably based on John/another member of the resistance.)

I guess that also makes pretty sound sense, but maybe they captured Kyle so they could make a terminator version of him to send back to the resistance? or maybe they just kept him alive to lure more high ranking resistance members to try and rescue him? or yeh maybe its just a bit of a gaping wound of a plot-hole

Memento Mori wrote:

Sarge wrote:

J-Preezy wrote:

Sarge wrote:

Agent47 wrote:Concerning Salvation, there's a big hole in the story that bugs me no end: how the **** does Skynet know Kyle Reese is John's father? Only John, Sarah (dead) and Kyle from the future (also dead) know that, so how the **** does Skynet know?

I've been thinking about this, maybe it didn't know, it's possible that it only put Kyle at the top of the list because it found out John was looking for him.

It obviously finds out later when John tells Marcus, but before that...it probably only wanted him because John did.

i think the best possible explanation for how SkyNet knew about Kyle is: (and bear with me in case this doesn't make much sense)

maybe Skynet from the future (circa 2029) came back into the past (2018) and told Skynet that this Kyle Reese person would become the father of its enemy, and that if he survived Skynet would fall. Don't know if anyone else noticed but in one scene in the labour camp/factory with all the people being herded about you could see these shadowy people looking down on the people through a window in the background (blink and you'll miss it though). maybe they were future terminators looking for Kyle?

bit out there but it could work

Nah, that doesn't explain why Skynet didn't have Reese killed as soon as it took him out of the line/just have him shot to bits by the mini gun toting, bandana wearing T-600.

Anyway, I also noticed that shot, I thought it was more of glimpse at the T models. One was the T-800, another looked like the T-1000, one looked like the T-X, and a fourth new model. (probably based on John/another member of the resistance.)

Maybe we'll see this whole section again from another point of view later on in one of the sequels? That has to be done well though so it doesn't appear like an indulgence on behalf of the director. GTA4 I'm looking at you.

Would be interested, maybe we'll find out why Skynet turned from ruthless AI to pantomime villain who decides to reveal its plan to anyone who'll listen.

helena bonham carter = planet of the apes = SkyNet = epic fail


Skynet would be much scarier without a face, just a black monolith with a little blue light or something. cold, calculating and without emotion. now thats a scary villain!

J-Preezy wrote:helena bonham carter = planet of the apes = SkyNet = epic fail


Skynet would be much scarier without a face, just a black monolith with a little blue light or something. cold, calculating and without emotion. now thats a scary villain!

Or better yet, a single copy of windows vista 32bit.

Agent47 wrote:Concerning Salvation, there's a big hole in the story that bugs me no end: how the **** does Skynet know Kyle Reese is John's father? Only John, Sarah (dead) and Kyle from the future (also dead) know that, so how the **** does Skynet know?

I don't think Skynet knew he was John's father, but they knew he had a connection to Connor. Remember, at the end of T1, Kyle's body was taken away, they would have taken photos of it, hence in the future Skynet can recognise him. There were also news stories about Sarah Connors being murdered. Also, Kyle's ramblings at the police station and Sarah's at the asylum were videotaped and kept on file, and Skynet would have had access to Government records that showed the circumstances of John's adoption. In T2, Cyberdyne was attacked by Sarah Connor. Is it that hard to believe that a sentient computer system could realise this Connor woman had knowledge of the future, and string that info together to connect Reese to the Connors?

So why didn't Skynet just kill Kyle when they had him?

No need to get John at the same time because if they kill Kyle, no John.

Crap movie, the more I think about it in an effort to like it the crapper it gets.

T3 was a much better, solid movie. It had a great future war seen where we see hundreds of T800s marching on the resistance.
Also it was a 15 so the Terminator could do Terminator things like punch through a copper and drive a car, great!

T4 has defiled the concept the James Cameron gave us if anything T3 honors it, the only hit and miss element was the humor but I think it was there to offset the darker elements.

Watch T3 again, then compare it to T4.

theresNoPlaceLikeHome wrote:So why didn't Skynet just kill Kyle when they had him?

No need to get John at the same time because if they kill Kyle, no John.

Crap movie, the more I think about it in an effort to like it the crapper it gets.

T3 was a much better, solid movie. It had a great future war seen where we see hundreds of T800s marching on the resistance.
Also it was a 15 so the Terminator could do Terminator things like punch through a copper and drive a car, great!

T4 has defiled the concept the James Cameron gave us if anything T3 honors it, the only hit and miss element was the humor but I think it was there to offset the darker elements.

Watch T3 again, then compare it to T4.

T1 > T2 > T4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T3. It's that bad. The bit where Arnie puts on the "funny" sunglasses just made me want to

terrible

J-Preezy wrote:

theresNoPlaceLikeHome wrote:So why didn't Skynet just kill Kyle when they had him?

No need to get John at the same time because if they kill Kyle, no John.

Crap movie, the more I think about it in an effort to like it the crapper it gets.

T3 was a much better, solid movie. It had a great future war seen where we see hundreds of T800s marching on the resistance.
Also it was a 15 so the Terminator could do Terminator things like punch through a copper and drive a car, great!

T4 has defiled the concept the James Cameron gave us if anything T3 honors it, the only hit and miss element was the humor but I think it was there to offset the darker elements.

Watch T3 again, then compare it to T4.

T1 > T2 > T4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T3. It's that bad. The bit where Arnie puts on the "funny" sunglasses just made me want to

terrible

I still think as a whole T3 is a better movie. T4 promised so much and seemed so sincere with how they said they were fans etc and then T4???
For a start T4 should at least have been a 15. Total cop out for cash on so many levels. I just can't let it go I was actually insulted by the plot.

I think its weird that John was the one that send Kyle Reese back in the first place...

... HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

If Kyle wasn't send back, then John would not exist anyway. But he does exist anyway.

So just forget all about this bullshit and enjoy the movies. But I can't help myself wondering how it is possible in the first place.

Wedgie wrote:I think its weird that John was the one that send Kyle Reese back in the first place...

... HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

If Kyle wasn't send back, then John would not exist anyway. But he does exist anyway.

So just forget all about this bullshit and enjoy the movies. But I can't help myself wondering how it is possible in the first place.

John exists because we he is on the same timeline as T1 & T2 so the events of T1 & T2 are Johns past and T1 is Kyles future.

That would in some way explain why the machines needed to lure John into Skynet after capturing Kyles as he would not simply wink out of existence.

That's really straight forward, what isn't is the reason for such a crap plot.

Also I thought the Arnie models were T101's, I'd like to know why they get called T800's really I would!!!!!!!

I think Arnies type of Terminator is a T800 (i.e all of the Terminators of that specification) and the T101 is his model number (i.e the T800s that look like Arnie).

If you think about it both that John Connor and Skynet owe their existence to each other. Without Skynet sending Arnie back originally, John would not have been born. But Skynet would also not have been created (as we wouldn’t have had the futuristic chips & arms that were left by Arnie).

Moggy wrote:I think Arnies type of Terminator is a T800 (i.e all of the Terminators of that specification) and the T101 is his model number (i.e the T800s that look like Arnie).

If you think about it both that John Connor and Skynet owe their existence to each other. Without Skynet sending Arnie back originally, John would not have been born. But Skynet would also not have been created (as we wouldn’t have had the futuristic chips & arms that were left by Arnie).

OMG! now it is literally a "chicken & egg" situation...

So which happened first!!!! No wait if what you say is true none of it would happen.

The bombs had to fall in any event, I think Skynet would have come into existence without the aid of the future technology, in T2 the head boffin states that the chip helped speed up development, skynet's creation was not dependent on it.

As Arnie stated, "it is inevitable" and T3 revolved around that certainty.

I think