Terminator Salvation?

Sarge · PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Sarge** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:09 pm

F-Heonix wrote:
Tragic Magic wrote:The original idea sounds lots better.

Doesn't it. Imagine hearing the voice of John Connor thoughout the film and then for the finale the big reveal of the man who will go on to save humanity. Hit the Terminator music, roll credits. That would have been such an awesome way to setup the sequel and give the viewer that 'oh my gawd, the next film is going to be epic!?!?!?"

No, just no.

John Conner had to be a pretty big presence in T4 for the simple that people wouldn't just start following a random voice over a radio. (not to mention that Skynet could very easily trace the radio signal & kill him)

He had to earn the respect/command who takes the fight to the machines & shows that it's still possible for humanity to fight back & win. (the ending with them taking down the San Fran branch of Skynet should have been amazing, but they strawberry floated it up by making Skynet into a cheap Bond villain who makes some very strawberry floating stupid decisions.)

And the real problems with the movie were that it was too damn short (40mins were cut from the theatrical release), characters weren't given enough screen time so we actually started to care about them, scenes were editing to buggery (the Conner/Kate scene where it just fades to black is an example) & they focused too much on the big set-pieces.

T5 sounds like more of the same except it's probably going to be set in the past, which makes no strawberry floating sense. :fp:

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by JK » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:58 pm

I saw this today. I was utterly bored and couldn't care less about any of the characters.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **jamcc** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:38 pm

Right, babe-off?

The chinky bird or Connor's girlfriend?

Connor's missus was dead fit, I thought.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Memento Mori** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:49 pm

6.5/10 probably. It got better towards the end I thought and the CGI Arnold was pretty good.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **captain red dog** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:32 pm

I like the sound of the original idea more. Looking forward to seeing this though of of sheer curiosity.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Memento Mori** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:59 pm

Marcus' whole weird shout thing whenever he received bad news was unintentionally hillarious.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **mic** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:06 am

Gandalf wrote:Watching it again tonight, on a bigger screen and (hopefully) without some complete fucktard that continuously chatted in the back row. Inconsiderate ****.

Was it any better second time around? I've been meaning to catch the beginning, but I really can't be arsed. The thing to do seems to be to get a large enough group together to go see it, but I fear compromising my critical integrity - not a good sign for one of my favourite stories...

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Floex** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:30 pm

Sarge wrote:No, just no.

John Conner had to be a pretty big presence in T4 for the simple that people wouldn't just start following a random voice over a radio. (not to mention that Skynet could very easily trace the radio signal & kill him)

He had to earn the respect/command who takes the fight to the machines & shows that it's still possible for humanity to fight back & win. (the ending with them taking down the San Fran branch of Skynet should have been amazing, but they strawberry floated it up by making Skynet into a cheap Bond villain who makes some very strawberry floating stupid decisions.)

Ok I thought about this and what your saying and ended up trying to create my own trilogy ( :lol:

)

T4: The Kyle Reese Chronicles

I liked what you said about someone had to earn the respect/command to be who they are and I was thinking about the characters in the Terminator universe. Seeing as they are not that many there is one man that I thought would be perfect for the lead in T4, Kyle Reese. In my version he is an adult and we see him throughout the film as the man to send back to Sarah. It would be pretty much him in the war ala the scenes from T1. John Conner is announcing he is looking for Reese while giving out speeches to the Resistance to raise moral. The final scene of T4 is Kyle meeting John and we finally get a glimpse of the man himself. When you see the reveal its say Cristian Bale. Hit terminator music, roll credits

Spolier for those who haven't seen Se7en

T5: The John Conner Chronicles

This film is entirely about John in the future war and how he became the leader of the Resistance. We see flashbacks of him in situations that shows why he is the savior of humanity. Kind of like what is happening in Halo: ODST. The film would climax with the sending back of Kyle Reese to meet Sarah while we also seeing the production of the T-800 (Arnie) and their preperation for sending back the machine to kill. Ontop of that the first glimpse of the T-1000 So the next film in the timeline would be then T1

T6: The Resistance Chronicles

The war to end all wars. The final battle on Skynet. Still trying to work out the ending exactly (time travel can be a right bitch) but this would see the final battle fo human and machine. Was thinking this would be the big war in the scale of Lord Of The Rings. The ending I have so far is the sending back of a captured T-800 to stop the war from happening. The T-1000 would be playing a bigger role in this movie, an unstoppable machine that penetrates the Resistance and John Conner only has one option to send back the T-800 while the T-1000 also breaks though. This leading onto T2

So the chronological order of the films would be T4, T5, T1, T6, T2

One thing that bugs me is how the war would start if at the end of T2 everything is destoryed. Maybe something alone the lines of 'War is we what we do, the war with Skynet is invetiable. We can't stop it, we can only prolong the existance of mankind'

Anyone want to help me out? GR does Terminator :lol:

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **mic** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:38 pm

Well, as much as we'd all love to dismiss T3 entirely, those events were instrumental in showing that the war was indeed inevitable.

Sarah thought she'd changed the timeline with the destruction of Cyberdyne and the death of Miles Dyson, but clearly that wasn't the case - she merely once again prevented the death of her son and thus ensured the survival of the human resistance in the future - all of which begs the question why future-John thought it would be enough to kill Dyson and blow up a building?

We most certainly shall, however, utterly disregard the Sarah Conner Chronicles, utter garbage that it is (I couldn't endure beyond Ep.5).

It strikes me as highly improbable that the resistance would be aware enough of Skynet's plans to send back a protector on three seperate occasions (four, even, if we consider the abovementioned but now disregarded T:SCC). What, do the resistance have somebody on the inside pretending to be a machine, or do they just use the services of 'Time Travel R Us'? It's silly now.

Having said that, if T4 was any indication, it can't be very difficult to break into Machine HQ and steal a ride on the time machine...

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **massimo** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:34 pm

I've been reading all of your comments, explaining this plot hole and that plot hole, etc. and I've come to the conclusion that this franchise is well and truly strawberry floated.

The only way it can be salvaged is if after Avatar, James Cameron decides to get back on board and totally disregards everything post T2, reboot style (I hate that word too). But it'll NEVER happen.

Thank you very much McG, and all those re-writers from Salvation. Thank you Nick Stahl, Jonathan Mostow, and all the bloody money grabbers in the movie industry.
Edit: Forgot to mention Christian Bale, thank you very much. Oh, and strawberry floating Helena Bonham Carter. Who the hell invited you to the party anyway?

Website · PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Tragic Magic** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:40 pm

Nick Stahl was incredibly gooseberry fool as John Connor in 3. Just complete :fp:

.

The bit I hated most in T3 was when he said "you remind me of my mum" to that whiny bitch sidekick.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **massimo** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:43 pm

Tragic Magic wrote:Nick Stahl was incredibly gooseberry fool as John Connor in 3. Just complete .

The bit I hated most in T3 was when he said "you remind me of my mum" to that whiny bitch sidekick.

To be honest, I preferred T3 to Salvation.

*Did I ever mention I met Kristanna Loken?

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Mr Yoshi** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:36 am

I quite liked T4. I'm holding out for the directors cut to make my final decision.

And my rankings in the other thread were for jokes.

T2 > T1 > T4 > T3

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Count Nood** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:45 am

Mr Yoshi wrote:T2 > T1 > T4 > T3

Good man, that's the only way.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Denster** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:04 am

I concur. I remember queueing for two hours to see terminator 2. The audible gasps in the cinema as the special effects and set pieces unfolded. Great, great film. Robert Patrick was sublime as the T-1000.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Suffocate Peon** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:09 am

Mr Yoshi wrote:I quite liked T4. I'm holding out for the directors cut to make my final decision.

I can't imagine a world where the directors cut as edited by MCG would be the superior version.

Yeah i just wanted to say that, i've not seen the film. Longer version of the film, yeah yeah, anyway.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Mr Yoshi** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:03 am

reactant mob driven wrote:
Mr Yoshi wrote:I quite liked T4. I'm holding out for the directors cut to make my final decision.

I can't imagine a world where the directors cut as edited by MCG would be the superior version.

Yeah i just wanted to say that, i've not seen the film. Longer version of the film, yeah yeah, anyway.

I don't know, the theatrical version seemed pretty roughly cut. I reckon the extra minutes would help it a lot.

Sarge · PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Sarge** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:11 am

Mr Yoshi wrote:
reactant mob driven wrote:
Mr Yoshi wrote:I quite liked T4. I'm holding out for the directors cut to make my final decision.

I can't imagine a world where the directors cut as edited by MCG would be the superior version.

Yeah i just wanted to say that, i've not seen the film. Longer version of the film, yeah yeah, anyway.

I don't know, the theatrical version seemed pretty roughly cut. I reckon the extra minutes would help it a lot.

It will.

Nearly 40mins of footage/scenes were cut a couple of weeks before the theatrical release. (original run time was just over 2hs 40mins (including credits), that changed to 1hr 55mins (including credits) a couple of weeks before release)

Some of the cuts were very obvious, the first time we see John & Kate (the sudden fade to black), the first night Marcus & Moon spend together, the John/Marcus scene at the riverside.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **Mr Yoshi** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:24 am

Jesus, had no idea it was so much. You can really tell though.

PostRe: Terminator Salvation? by **mic** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:29 am

Is it cynical to think they only cut the film so that they could release an uncut version? Or is 160mins just too long to sit in the cinema?

Phoenix Tennant wrote:
Mr Yoshi wrote:T2 > T1 > T4 > T3

Good man, that's the only way.

It's the only sane choice, although T1 does give T2 a run for its money - T1 is grittier, and T2 doesn't have any future scenes (although Sarah's nightmare was spectacular).

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