The Poker Thread

FOR. strawberry floats. SAKE.

Has fate given me a club full of utter donks to take advantage of. Yes.
Will fate give me any luck to beat them. NO.

Tonight I was knocked out with Aces by some of the worst EVER play EVER. Worse still I was about to take someones whole stack until Sergeant Fuckluckery got involved.

strawberry float OFF FATE.

2-3 Years of this strawberry floating gooseberry fool! I AM GETTING A strawberry floating WIN AT THAT strawberry floating CLUB.

What happened?

Drumstick wrote:What happened?

Don't ask me to remember stack sizes.

First rebuy got all in on the flop QUEEN-TEN-EIGHT rainbow in a four way with A-J for a double gutshotter. Got called by Q-TEN and I missed. Fair dooze. Win and I'm huge leader of the entire game.

Last rebuy. Get dealt Aces. Raise from early position. One caller and I re-raise from the button 3x for 15 percent of my stack. Both call.

Flop comes down Q-J-TEN. Awful flop. Initial raiser checks, guy next to me bets less then I raised it to initially, about 1/5 pot. I am wary of this board, so just call. So does the other guy.

The turn is then an irrelevant four. First guy checks, next guy bets 1/3 the pot, and this is now a fair amount of my stack. I don't like it, but a fold seems way too weak. I call, thinking matey over there must be folding now. This is an error, and he calls, with just a bit more then me behind.

River is an Eight. First guy checks, guy next to me then bets 1/7 the pot. I call, and guy re-raises all in. Guy next to me folds. I sigh, and realise that there is about eight times my stack in the centre including antes. I have some history with this guy and no he is donk enough to do this with worse. I can't work out how he has a nine, but fear a set or 9-9. I make a crying call, and he shows TEN-9o.

TEN-NINE OFF.

He has called off 75% to the river with TEN-NINE OFF. Called a re-raise as well. I should have gone all in on the turn, but the board panicked me and sent me off on the wrong tangent I think. That gooseberry fool always happens to me there though. It says a lot that I am still in profit there even though I am so far below EV its crazy...

Anyway guess thats no 3DS for me. That was my last shot - so sorry if I sound whining.not looking at the long run - utter bollocks to it.

Not raising flop = your problem

You don't need luck to beat bad players, you need time. If you spent half as much time analysing your own play rather than moaning about other people you'd get on a lot better. At the end of the day you cannot change other people's play, only your own and that's what you should work on. Not only that but the fact they make bad plays is good, you should thank for them for bad.

I lost a £500 or something pot live when someone made an insane call with top pair 9 kicker. He got the 9 and I just sigh. Was pretty gutted at the time and kept playing it over in my head but after a matter of a day I didn't care anymore. I played the hand fine and that's all I can do.

Rex McGee wrote:Not raising flop = your problem

You don't need luck to beat bad players, you need time. If you spent half as much time analysing your own play rather than moaning about other people you'd get on a lot better. At the end of the day you cannot change other people's play, only your own and that's what you should work on. Not only that but the fact they make bad plays is good, you should thank for them for bad.

I lost a £500 or something pot live when someone made an insane call with top pair 9 kicker. He got the 9 and I just sigh. Was pretty gutted at the time and kept playing it over in my head but after a matter of a day I didn't care anymore. I played the hand fine and that's all I can do.

I'm over it now, and you are right - but I hadnt planned for that flop and I panicked. I figured there was a good chance someone had hit it real hard, but at the same time I couldnt fold the Aces straight off, so I called - which was bad. However, I think I would have got a call if I had raised the flop from donk, and he would have chased the draw relentlessly and would have hit. I dont think that would have changed the outcome. What would have would have been raising the turn, but I was more worried about the guy on my right then the donk across the table as it was, so that made me make a bad move. I don't think donk would chase with just one card to come.

I was angry last night because I was doing it for a 3DS - but I am over it now. Rants are boring I know, but sometimes you just gotta let it out. You just said you do it yourself too. Gonna have to learn more how to deal with Aces on scary boards, will it be an auto raise on basically any flop? Need a set play ready to bring out as a standard much like when I hit a set etc...changeable, but a basic move I make when against largely donks...

Well it depends a lot on who you're playing and board texture. TJQ is a scary board for AA however you will still be ahead at this point most of the time so I would definitely raise the flop. If this was a dry board such as 27Q or something then I think you have more options and can afford to slow play or what have you.

When playing online I've seen the same flop after raising from EP but instead of aces I had something rubbish like 66. However, I tend to find that you can do a very small bet on the flop and people will often put you on AK and let you have it.

So yeah with aces I don't want lots of people seeing another card for cheap so I bet the flop and then see how it goes from there.

Drumstick wrote:Well it depends a lot on who you're playing and board texture. TJQ is a scary board for AA however you will still be ahead at this point most of the time so I would definitely raise the flop. If this was a dry board such as 27Q or something then I think you have more options and can afford to slow play or what have you.

To clarify - I wasn't 'slow-playing' to trap - I was slow-playing to stop the pot esculating too quickly. There was a bet on every street before it got to me, and a raise would basically be an all-in, everyone not being all that deep. The issue was I knew that donk with any kind of draw would call the all-in. Once I got to the turn, after the betting there, I was confident I was ahead, and I was so I called - but the first checker then also called, which I didnt think he would. That really buggered me up.

I think in future I'll just be re-raising all flops with Aces. I can't think of many now in hindsight that I shouldn't.

DML wrote:

Drumstick wrote:Well it depends a lot on who you're playing and board texture. TJQ is a scary board for AA however you will still be ahead at this point most of the time so I would definitely raise the flop. If this was a dry board such as 27Q or something then I think you have more options and can afford to slow play or what have you.

To clarify - I wasn't 'slow-playing' to trap - I was slow-playing to stop the pot esculating too quickly.

Yeah I know. It's just the wrong kind of board to not raise on though. We want to be getting people off of their hands on such a board, as just calling puts us in a tough position later on as you have experienced due to not further defining their holding.

DML wrote:I think in future I'll just be re-raising all flops with Aces. I can't think of many now in hindsight that I shouldn't.

*adds to PokerStars notes*

Drumstick wrote:

DML wrote:

Drumstick wrote:Well it depends a lot on who you're playing and board texture. TJQ is a scary board for AA however you will still be ahead at this point most of the time so I would definitely raise the flop. If this was a dry board such as 27Q or something then I think you have more options and can afford to slow play or what have you.

To clarify - I wasn't 'slow-playing' to trap - I was slow-playing to stop the pot esculating too quickly.

Yeah I know. It's just the wrong kind of board to not raise on though. We want to be getting people off of their hands on such a board, as just calling puts us in a tough position later on as you have experienced due to to further defining their holding.

DML wrote:I think in future I'll just be re-raising all flops with Aces. I can't think of many now in hindsight that I shouldn't.

*adds to PokerStars notes*

At clubs full of donks anyway!

Oh wait.....I can still use that.

Can anyone recommend some articles on live poker? Got the Student Poker Championships next week so just want to refresh my brain for that.

Me and Luw off to a donkament in Northam again today. Top prize could be around £900!

TID

Gonna make a nice ham salad baguette for lunch then get some online poker going...

TID

New HSP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7dl_f7O_EY

Red Devil wrote:Can anyone recommend some articles on live poker? Got the Student Poker Championships next week so just want to refresh my brain for that.

There's a free guide to live poker with this month's PokerPlayer which covers a few topics, including making the transition from online to live, table talk, stereotyping, tells, and a whole lot more. I'd tell you if it was any good or not but as of yet I've not read it.

Otherwise I can only comment from my own experiences from casino tournaments. The players I've played against for the most part have been pretty average with the odd good player and plenty of bad players and fish. It's important to try and identify the good from the bad as soon as possible for obvious reasons. Another thing I've found is that lots of people play too many hands. I've seen very few people in the various games I've played able to fold for a good period of time without trying to limp in for cheap or raise some pretty marginal hands from bad positions. Patience is an extremely important ability to have in live poker. At the same time it's important to realise that you aren't going to be able to see as many hands per blind level as you would online so perhaps loosen up your starting hand requirements a little earlier than you otherwise might.

You have a pretty solid no nonsense game which is very similar to what I play so I would say just play your normal game but be mindful of the above facts.

I think Luw might have this month's edition so I'll see if I can [s]steal[/s] borrow it off him. Cheers for the advice though. I'll keep it in mind.

Played some PLO cash for an hour the other night. Ended $25 up which was nice but I was really happy with how I played considering I felt a little rusty and have barely been on the virtual felt at all recently.

Whenever I fancy a laugh, I just type Phil Helmuth into Youtube and watch that dickhead get a bad beat/well-earned karma or blow up. A new favourite:

Phatman wrote:Whenever I fancy a laugh, I just type Phil Helmuth into Youtube and watch that dickhead get a bad beat/well-earned karma or blow up. A new favourite:

Old news but still holds massive lols! So funny!