The Poker Thread

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Oblomov Boblomov** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:20 pm

Nova wrote:
Goldomov, Oblincense and Myrrhblomov wrote:I just slowplayed the strawberry float out of someone and took all his money . BWAHAHAHA!!

I did that with KK on a board of 9K6T7, and he had A8

Yeah I had JJ and flopped a set. He checked to me so I checked back. Then the turn put a straight draw on and I was like sheeeeet, so I bet just under the pot and he called. Right now I would usually be thinking oh bollocks I've strawberry floated it up again, but this guy was a total donk and I was still confident of the win when he raised my river bet to all in 8-)

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He had a pair of sevens with an Ace kicker :lol:

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PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Nova** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:16 pm

Well this is lame. I haven't cashed a game all night, putting me almost at 0 for the month again. My KK ran into KK which went on to four flush me and any strong pair I've had has been overpaired.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Oblomov Boblomov** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:31 pm

I know that I shouldn't have even been in this pot in the first place, but this table was full of limpers and I felt like I had a good family pot hand, so I risked the 2c.

What would you be doing here? Bear in mind I've only just sat down so I don't have any reads on anyone yet.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Rex McGee** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:36 pm

Betting? You have him beat 100% of the time?

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Ecno** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:37 pm

Don't limp pre.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Oblomov Boblomov** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:40 pm

I've said it before, but I always have this problem that I fear someone is trapping me. I don't have him beat 100% of the time and I was fearing the flush.

I know I shouldn't limp pre. Did you even read my first sentence?

EDIT - don't read that as if I'm snapping at you; I'm grateful for all the help you guys have been giving me

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I'm actually doing fairly well, I think. I've turned $2.50 into $5.50 in 35 hands.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Rex McGee** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:05 am

You really need to understand just how small a sample you are playing. If you want to get into this seriously you need to try and put in lots of hands. Just playing hands here and there won't really get you anywhere if you're playing cash games. 35 hands I do in < 10 minutes. (admittedly with more tables open but you get the idea). So much can happen over such a small sample so I wouldn't take this as a sign that you are necessarily playing really well.

If you wish to start your own little roll off I can possibly help you but you'd have to play the stakes I decide and I'd have to be watching all your games so I can track your roll. If you want to chat over msn or something about it then PM me and we will try sort something out.

With regard to the hand, Ecno is right you shouldn't be limping that. You shouldn't be limping anything frankly. I think it's a good idea to stop thinking these players are super sick and trapping and just assume each and everyone of them is a total retard. His play shows total weakness and he should be punished for calling the turn.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Oblomov Boblomov** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:19 am

I totally agree with you on the whole limping thing. I've lost count of the amount of times I've told the friends I've been teaching the basics to either raise or fold. I'm annoyed with myself every time I do it.

PMing you now.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Ecno** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:23 am

Does anyone know if HEM can handle different currencies yet?

Also I'd recommend everyone joins the two plus two forums if you aren't a member already as you'll get more feedback on the hands you post aswell as ways to get the best rakeback/vip deals.

Edit: Also Jamie1112 it's probably best that you have auto rebuy on your stack up to $2 because otherwise it reduces the profitibility of your implied odds hands.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Rex McGee** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:42 am

Doesn't cope with different currency yet.

I read 2+2 everyday but don't assume that just because someone replies to your post they are correct. You get lots of feedback but it's often conflicting.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Oblomov Boblomov** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:17 pm

Ecno wrote:Also Jamie1112 it's probably best that you have auto rebuy on your stack up to $2 because otherwise it reduces the profitibility of your implied odds hands.

I'm afraid I'm going to need this whole implied odds malarky explained to me. Is it basically that if there is money in a pot and a card still to come out, you might as well call a small raise if the other guy has a big stack because you could then win all his chips if you hit or something blah blah I don't know :oops:

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PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Nova** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:59 pm

ARGH. I'm chip leader on the bubble, then lose 3 flips and go out

I hate $11 :lol:

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Psychic** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:28 pm

Goldomov, Oblincense and Myrrhblomov wrote:
Ecno wrote:Also Jamie1112 it's probably best that you have auto rebuy on your stack up to $2 because otherwise it reduces the profitibility of your implied odds hands.

I'm afraid I'm going to need this whole implied odds malarky explained to me. Is it basically that if there is money in a pot and a card still to come out, you might as well call a small raise if the other guy has a big stack because you could then win all his chips if you hit or something blah blah I don't know .

Pot odds are your basic odds on calling a bet right now based on the current bet to you and the pot size. For instance, if you facing a bet of 100 into a pot of 300, the pot odds are 3 to 1. If you were against this bet on the river and you felt that you were best at least 34% of the time you should call.

Implied odds are the odds on what money you stand to win that is not yet in the pot. For instance your odds of flopping a set with a pair are 7.5/1 and the amount in the pot preflop is rarely going to make this a profitable call on it's own. Implied odds will allow you to make this call given that you can win a good amount of chips when you hit your set. Given that you are not certain of this, that's why they are referred to as implied odds.

Obviously your implied odds will differ, if you're up against someone who plays lots of hands and likes to fold to any action after the flop your implied odds will be bad as you're less likely to get paid off. However, if a tight player raises in early position he is more likely to have strong hands and you have a better chance of being paid off when you hit. Hence your implied odds are much better.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Oblomov Boblomov** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:31 pm

PsychicSykes wrote:
Goldomov, Oblincense and Myrrhblomov wrote:
Ecno wrote:Also Jamie1112 it's probably best that you have auto rebuy on your stack up to $2 because otherwise it reduces the profitibility of your implied odds hands.

I'm afraid I'm going to need this whole implied odds malarky explained to me. Is it basically that if there is money in a pot and a card still to come out, you might as well call a small raise if the other guy has a big stack because you could then win all his chips if you hit or something blah blah I don't know .

Pot odds are your basic odds on calling a bet right now based on the current bet to you and the pot size. For instance, if you facing a bet of 100 into a pot of 300, the pot odds are 3 to 1. If you were against this bet on the river and you felt that you were best at least 34% of the time you should call.

Implied odds are the odds on what money you stand to win that is not yet in the pot. For instance your odds of flopping a set with a pair are 7.5/1 and the amount in the pot preflop is rarely going to make this a profitable call on it's own. Implied odds will allow you to make this call given that you can win a good amount of chips when you hit your set. Given that you are not certain of this, that's why they are referred to as implied odds.

Obviously your implied odds will differ, if you're up against someone who plays lots of hands and likes to fold to any action after the flop your implied odds will be bad as you're less likely to get paid off. However, if a tight player raises in early position he is more likely to have strong hands and you have a better chance of being paid off when you hit. Hence your implied odds are much better.

Okay, thanks Sykes. Is the 7.5/1 odds of flopping a set true? I thought it was more like 10/1 even by the time you reach the river?

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Psychic** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:34 pm

Sorry, it's 7.5/1 to hit your set on the flop but I figured that would be the main odds to look for as you usually won't see more than the flop with something like 33. In any event I like to look for 9/1 usually anyway due to things like people folding when you make your set, getting outdrawn and stuff like being coolered set over set. Of course you can adjust the odds as appropriate depending on how bad your opponents are and how likely they are to pay off.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Nova** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:31 pm

What's going on? I'm chip leader on the bubble, and as the blinds raise I see constant 70/30s getting won by the short stack who is always behind. Then, 44 beats 88 (4 on the flop, AI pre), and next hand I go out with A9 into AT :lol:

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Drumstick** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:56 pm

Maybe you are running bad for a change.

Sykes and I are about to go deep in a $4.40. 35 minutes in and we've both doubled. 8-)

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Nova** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:01 pm

Drumstick wrote:Maybe you are running bad for a change.

Sykes and I are about to go deep in a $4.40. 35 minutes in and we've both doubled.

For a change eh? I'm down $100 ish, so back down to $374, returning to 5$ until I can a pot when I'm ahead :lol:

Gl guys, I'll rail for as long as I'm awake.

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Psychic** » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:33 am

PostRe: The Poker Thread by **Oblomov Boblomov** » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:38 am

PsychicSykes wrote:Sorry, it's 7.5/1 to hit your set on the flop but I figured that would be the main odds to look for as you usually won't see more than the flop with something like 33. In any event I like to look for 9/1 usually anyway due to things like people folding when you make your set, getting outdrawn and stuff like being coolered set over set. Of course you can adjust the odds as appropriate depending on how bad your opponents are and how likely they are to pay off.

I must have miscalculated somewhere. I figured it as you're going to see three cards and there are fifty left, giving you 16.67/1 to flop a set, right? Further research tells me you're right and I'm wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me

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Anyway, pub poker was mental tonight. I went chip leader on something like the third hand when two people went all in pre against my AA, then I won practically nothing else all night and got sucked out on three times on the River, eventually busting out the third time. It was impossible to play as someone would go all in every other hand. In one hand there were two people all in and a third called with T4s claiming he always hits flushes, going on to win the pot by making trip Tens :fp:

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