The Poker Thread

What seems to be the most insane free roll ever is signing up on PS atm $5000 dollar prizepool and 150 000 entrants hyper turbo.

Put your super turbo long stay skills to the test in a huge multi table tournament haha carnage!

lol aaron sat on 58k in 22nd out of the final 5k runners.

So the meet up.

Coach was an hour late so arrived in Coventry just before 2am meet by Drummy and Aaron who drove us back to the house.

Tourney went ok to start with but the table me and Drummy were on was so loose that it was so pointless c-betting boards you missed as you would get called by about 3 players with your pre-flop UTG raises.

My first hand I played went well picked up AdQd UTG+1 raised it about 2.5x and just got a call from the button.

Flop was Qs 10d 6d check called a bet of about half the pot the turn I forget but went check check and the river didnt complete any draws so I value bet about 900 which was about just over 1/3 of the pot and got paid off.

After that I raised with AK and AJ and always had numerous callers and missed flops.

After the break was pretty short jammed with 88 got called with Q10 and doubled to about 7k which was still just below 10bb I think.

Then I made a call with AJ from Mafro who flipped over AQ I hit a J on the flop and then he hit a 10 on the river to give him a straight

Anyway I then shoved blind with like 2bb with 47 and busted out in about 23rd place.

It was pretty good and nice to be able to put faces to voices, I also learnt I suck at monkeyball racing but I can sometimes own at the fighting game

Coach home was ten minutes late but got back to Leeds about 20 mins early

We need to do this again

Yeah it was awesome to have a face to put to the poster. Had lots of fun, even if it cost money. >_> We will definitely be doing it again though and hopefully even more people get involved.

As promised my graph for this month. I might be running good in terms of cards etc but the EV speak for itself tbh. Pretty sure these games are profitable. Maybe I am running good, only volume will tell.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3062/sturbo.jpg

Came 2nd in the pub poker last night. It was quite annoying as I got to heads up severely short stacked, built my way up to take him down to about 3BB and looking as if it was all over only for him to beat me by going all in blind and then win the next five hands . Still, including money spent on beer it was £10 profit and 80 points in the league.

Omaha hi/lo is where Ace to 10 straights and ace to 5 straights are the best hand right? Or is it the best and worst poker hands?

Omaha Hi-Lo follows the same basic rules as standard Omaha, except the pot is split into two halves for the best hi hand and lo hand. High hands are ranked in the same way as usual with a Royal Flush being the best, then straight flush etc. Lo hands consist of 5 cards with the value of 8 or under (The reason this varient is sometimes called Omaha 8 or better) and pairs do not count. A2345 is the nut lo, A2459 wouldn't count just as 34556 wouldn't. Sometimes it's not possible for a lo hand to be made in which case the whole pot goes to the hi hand.

In multiway pots it's not uncommon for splits to happen as shown below.

A: AA23
B: TT89
C: KQTT

Board: T8845

In this case players B and C would take a quarter of the pot each for having the best high hand, while player A takes half of the pot for having the best low hand. However...

A: AA23
B: TT89
C: KQTT

Board: T88A5

In this event, Player A still has the best low hand but also the high hand with a better full house. He would take the entire pot (Often referred to as scooping the pot). When playing Omaha Hi/Lo you should be looking to scoop the pot and should take care when playing a hand such as KQJT as you're always shooting for one half and could get quartered if someone has the low and another person has the same hand as you.

PS: AA23 double suited is the best starting hand.

Rex McGee wrote:Well I completely disagree. If you have 30% rakeback over 1000 games you pay 50 buyins of rake. You get 15 of them back so you pay 35 buyins of rake over 1000 games meaning you need to win 500+17.5 games to breakeven. That's a winrate of 51.7% to make them worth playing. I'm pretty damn confident playing against the likes of 3mark who sits with me for like 10 games in a row at the $50s I can turn this winrate.

Perhaps I am just being naive and on a rungood but I will post my graph later (on laptop atm) but I think I have a quite nice EV line of a reasonable sample. Can I have a link to the topic where they discuss this on 2+2? I agree that at higher stakes it's way higher to get an edge and you need to play regular games but at the lower stakes I am confident I have an edge.

18,031 $3 $280 1% $46,190 Hot 89 iPoker SNG Only

Stanley666 plays almost exclusively super turbos at $200+ average stake and has 46k profit. Does he really believe he is just running good? I don't think so.

If you look up the players making the most money at these games they only have a ROI of 1% just like the example you gave. They are beatable but when the best players are only getting 1% ROI you have to wonder whether they are worth playing.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/taylor-caby-649549/index4.html
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/ftp-super-turbos-630422/

The thing is that describing it as "only 1% ROI" is kinda misleading as your first link states his hourly rate is averaging out at $240. Given that these games are probably the closest thing to solvable poker games I can see why many people choose to play them. I think I'd prefer to have a higher hourly rate in a lot of situations rather than an improved ROI. I see your point mind.

That three mark guy is kinda confusing. He has upswings of $700-800 dollars. How can he not learn that maybe on these upswings he is doing something right!? You see people like him at the 6-max tables I am playing at on FTP at the moment. Shoving with any face card. You still gotta keep it super knit though, don't go thinking you can catch these guys out! Wish I had the money to deposit to play higher stakes but so skint at the moment! I guess the old fashion Chris Ferguson style bank roll management strategy is the way forward -_-

First few hands of my 10$ career on WH and a guy calls a raise with 35 suited and calls an all in with a flush draw and hits

Looks loose though, so that's good

Santa wrote:

Rex McGee wrote:Well I completely disagree. If you have 30% rakeback over 1000 games you pay 50 buyins of rake. You get 15 of them back so you pay 35 buyins of rake over 1000 games meaning you need to win 500+17.5 games to breakeven. That's a winrate of 51.7% to make them worth playing. I'm pretty damn confident playing against the likes of 3mark who sits with me for like 10 games in a row at the $50s I can turn this winrate.

Perhaps I am just being naive and on a rungood but I will post my graph later (on laptop atm) but I think I have a quite nice EV line of a reasonable sample. Can I have a link to the topic where they discuss this on 2+2? I agree that at higher stakes it's way higher to get an edge and you need to play regular games but at the lower stakes I am confident I have an edge.

18,031 $3 $280 1% $46,190 Hot 89 iPoker SNG Only

Stanley666 plays almost exclusively super turbos at $200+ average stake and has 46k profit. Does he really believe he is just running good? I don't think so.

If you look up the players making the most money at these games they only have a ROI of 1% just like the example you gave. They are beatable but when the best players are only getting 1% ROI you have to wonder whether they are worth playing.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/taylor-caby-649549/index4.html
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/ftp-super-turbos-630422/

How do you look up the best players at these? 1% ROI can be huge. At the regular SNG tables having such a small edge is plenty enough with rakeback added in. You're also looking at FTP games where you start with 10BB. My tables start with 75 and work down each minute until you are at about 10. I'm also massively table selecting.

Got this in my cash game today. Guy is playing an 18/8/0.5 (aggression), seems to be playing quite passively until this hand.

Up 4 buy-ins today

Is it wrong that every time someone checks or calls I immediately assume they're on the smooth?

It's costing me chips!

You think they're trapping? Yeah it'll cost you chips. Some part of their range of cards will be big hands they're slowplaying but a lot of the time bets and actions mean what they look like, a call being weak being the example here.

Nova, I think you have to call the river despite his passiveness. Your hand is so underrepresented that he doesn't have to have a lot here to spaz out on a bluff reading your apparent weakness or thinking he has the best hand with an overpair, 9 etc. As played I'd call but I think you should have raised the turn as it stands.

I just find it impossible to play online. I keep placing 1st or 2nd in live tournaments because I can read individual people so well and especially now at the pub I know exactly how everyone plays.

For example, I just lost a hand where in middle position I was the first action and I 4BB raise pre. I get one caller who is fairly short stacked and the flop is J35. I see him all in, he calls and shows J8. He hits an 8 on the turn and despite an ace showing up on the river my AK loses. There are just so many different people online that you can't account for what they're going to do .

V is for variance. FML.

Not going to be playing much now. Going home today for xmas. I think I might go for a 50buyin roll so only play $30s and $50s for a while.

On the upside though, I got my £59 rakeback, will get a sexy bonus at the end of the month (£100 I assume??) and I am currently holding a $125 spot in the rakerace this month. Also my roll is £1792 which I really cannot complain about. If at the start of the month I had known I would have this much I'd be quite happy with myself! Bring on the big freeze too.

PsychicSykes wrote:
Nova, I think you have to call the river despite his passiveness. Your hand is so underrepresented that he doesn't have to have a lot here to spaz out on a bluff reading your apparent weakness or thinking he has the best hand with an overpair, 9 etc. As played I'd call but I think you should have raised the turn as it stands.

Fair enough. I should have raised I suppose, but I ended up folding the river to him. Not sure why, but he hadn't played like that all day so I wasn't sure.

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