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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by DML » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:08 pm

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DML wrote:Came 27th out of 100. Got into a big hand where we both had second pair, and I couldnt get him to fold his slightly better kicker.

Did you think you had the best hand?



It was a wierd hand. The standard was weak, but I mistakenly thought this guy was quite good.

He had 16k and I had 22k following a big double up.

I did a button raise with Q-9o and he called.

The flop came A-Q-4 and he bet out 2/3 the pot. I opt to call, there are no flush draws.

The turn comes a 6 and he checks. It again is rainbow. I decide to be enough to commit him to the hand if he pushes over the top. My thought here is he knows that I will call if he goes all in, and he cannot just call. I had raised, called the flop and commited him on the turn, I figured he would fold any Queens - and his demeanour and defend of my blind told me he didn't have an Ace. (At best he could maybe has an A-2, but I was convinced he would bet the turn - as value betting was the aim of the game.) He shoved, leaving me totally confused, but commited to call. He flipped Q-J and the river blanked and I lost a load.

I felt annoyed for getting tangled in a spot where I didn't need to, but at least my reads were correct. I don't think I could have played the hand stronger - I just couldn't see him calling with a Queen unless it was two pair. He looked weak, he was weak, but somehow he called.

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It makes sense, but a donk bet hardly ever means an ace on that flop, and as he bet the flop he's hardly going to check fold the turn if you've shown no flop aggression. With that said, I would raise then fold to shove, to be honest. You were the preflop aggressor, and you are representing the Ace. Move in on him and make him make the awkward decision - you're Q9 basically beats nothing on the turn, unfortunately :(

What was the blind level? What were the bet sizings?


Its hazy.

Think blinds were 400/800.

I raised to 2400 which he called. He bet 3600 on the flop, which I called. After he checks, I bet 7000, and he shoves over the top for not much more. I have to call off the rest obviously - but when he flipped the Queen I was a bit suprised as when he shoved I just assumed I had it wrong and he must have had the Ace/set/two pair. The queen is bad for me as I can only hit the four cards to save me. My hand was turned into a bluff on the turn and it didn't pull off. I don't think I had bluffed the whole tournament up until then, and the standard was poor and I reckon most would have folded to that bet, just picked the wrong guy I guess.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Nova » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:41 pm

Argh. That's a shame. Do you think if you'd shoved the turn he'd still have called? Bizarre move by him when you're committed, he is only beating a bluff, really.

Oh, one gripe - I'd prob raise a little less on the button, if it's possible.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Luwinski » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:28 pm

ITM in the $5000 gtd $22 on pp. Got a comfortable stack.

20 to go atm, ive got a credible 20 bbs

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Luwinski » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:45 pm

Final table, I am 4th in chips! Massive gap in chips between 3rd and 4th though.

Edit: 7th for $217 or something. 66 < AA with 10bbs!

Roll in pp = $2117

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Luwinski » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:43 pm

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This is one month since I signed up to Party! You guys are missing out on joker stars :p

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by satriales » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:03 pm

Sneezy Chimney Droppings wrote:This is one month since I signed up to Party! You guys are missing out on joker stars :p

Jokerstars has been pretty good since you left :shifty:

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Red Devil » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:15 pm

Is there an EV line to go with that graph?

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by satriales » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:16 pm

Red Devil wrote:Is there an EV line to go with that graph?

No, because I've only been playing MTT's and HEM can't calculate the EV for tournaments that have more than one table.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Red Devil » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:18 pm

Fair enough. :P

Nice return btw.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Nova » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:04 am

For anyone continuing to play poker on FTP or PS, there is some interesting movements in US legislature set to pass this week that will affect us a bit in terms of US traffic: (there's a summary in the OP)
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57/po ... ns-930754/

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Red Devil » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:12 am

Guess there'll be less donks to take money off/give money to then. 8-)/ :x

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Nova » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:23 am

Red Devil wrote:Guess there'll be less donks to take money off/give money to then. 8-)/ :x


Not necessarily. I'm not completely sure, but I think the majority of the online grinders are US players, or at least a hell of a lot of them are.

In the long term, for the US it will encourage more donks to play who felt it was dodgy before (well, it was basically illegal, after all), and for us it will mean that we'll have 4 years of PS just being an 'everyone else' sort of site, which may not actually be too bad. The current state of online poker is grinder-liscious at the moment, anyway.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Red Devil » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:25 am

Guess there'll be more donks to take money off/give money to then. 8-)/:x

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Nova » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:26 am

Not necessarily.


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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Red Devil » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:32 am

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Nova » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:44 am

:lol:

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Psychic » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:22 pm

Two things.

I'm moving up to 25NL after becoming a small winner at 10NL, winning around 10BB over my last 20k hand sample (Ignore the previous hands :shifty: ) I'll race you to 100NL if you like Nova? :P

And secondly...

Wow! I'm used to PokerStars making big announcements, but this one really made my eyes pop out on stalks... Isildur1, the most infamous name in online poker, has today signed up to Team PokerStars Pro.

And to celebrate the hottest poker signing of the year, PokerStars is launching a cash game spectacular, the SuperStar Showdown, in which Isildur1 challenges all-comers to take him on at the nosebleed stakes.

Unless you've had your head buried in the sand (what are you, an ostrich?*), you'll know Isildur1 lit up the poker world by coming from nowhere to compete in the highest stakes online cash games. When I say high stakes, I mean games that generated the biggest pots in history - one coming in at a whopping $1.3million. And the swings! One week the poker world saw Isildur1 spin up several million dollars, then watched aghast as he lost it soon after. If heart-stopping action is what you're after, Isildur1 is the one to follow.

But what makes Isildur1 even more of an enigma is that no-one knows his or her true identity. Is this player really a young starlet with the guts to take on the world's best? Or is it a seasoned professional who, under a new guise, has been taking everyone to the cleaners?

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Well, that's for a select few to know, and the rest of us to guess. What we do know is that the player's real identity MAY be revealed before the PCA in January, but in the meantime the new Team PokerStars Pro will be playing online at PokerStars as Isildur1.

It's no exaggeration to say all this is something of a coup, because the whole poker industry was after the player's signature, a signature hotter than a tin roof in Las Vegas. So how did it come about?

"I chose to join PokerStars because it's the biggest site and it will be an exciting challenge," Isildur1 said. "It means a great deal to be playing in a team alongside players such as Daniel Negreanu, Dario Minieri and Johnny Lodden."

And Isildur1 had some bad news for those brave enough to come and take him/her on: "My goals now are to improve my live game for some upcoming events, continue to focus on no-limit heads-up Hold'em, but also try to develop my Pot Limit Omaha game."

Aha! That last bit leads us nicely to his/her SuperStar Showdown. Here's the top secret blurb that I had to collect this morning from a man in a beige overcoat, reading a copy of The Times newspaper under the clock at Victoria Station.

"A SuperStar Showdown is a head-up cash game match that takes place over a single session of 2,500 hands. The hands will be split evenly across four tables of No Limit Hold'Em and Pot Limit Omaha, at stakes no lower than $50/$100. The winner of the match will be the player that shows a profit after all 2,500 hands have been played.

"In addition to money won during the 2,500 hands, the players will be competing for a prize purse of at least 300 big blinds ($30,000). The purse will be funded from the players' bankrolls and will be held by PokerStars in escrow (to be transferred to the winner after the match).

"The SuperStar Showdown will take place once per week (at a mutually agreeable time/day to be determined in consultation with Isildur1). The opponents will alternate between a specially selected invited player, and a player that has responded to Isildur1's open challenge."

Oh my word, these are going to be great fun to watch! More good news is that the boffins in the PokerStars Lab (which is set in a huge crater under a false lake on the Isle of Man) are working on making the railing experience even better. Soon, the four Showdown tables will be hosted within a single window that will display the current leader on each of the four tables, the overall match leader, the number of hands remaining on each table and the number of hands remaining in the match. There will be a chat box for players and a separate chat box for observers. The table will be especially themed for the matches. Nice!

If, like me, you are seriously contemplating taking Isildur1 on (my nose grows long; my pants are on fire) you can see all the rules on the Isildur1 SuperStar Showdown page that details things like bankroll requirements, breaks, rules etc.

I can confirm that the first SuperStar Showdown will be on December 19 at 6pm (ET). Put that in your diary now.

So there you have it, the world's biggest online poker name joins the world's biggest online poker site. You can read Isildur1's bio on his/her PokerStars Team PokerStars Pro page. Furthermore, you can follow Isildur1's progress via Twitter where the player will be sending exclusive updates from @RealIsildur1.

Hold on tight. This, ladies and gentlemen, is going to be fun.

* OK, OK, an ostrich does not really bury its head in the sand (unless, I guess, it trips over something while running at full speed).


I may have to become a railtard now he's playing on Stars.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by DML » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:42 pm

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow!

Amazing news!

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Phatman » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:16 pm

Jellon Lamb wrote:
Sneezy Chimney Droppings wrote:This is one month since I signed up to Party! You guys are missing out on joker stars :p

Jokerstars has been pretty good since you left :shifty:

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Is that a poker specific program? If so, know where I can attain it? I need to start keeping better track of my winnings and losses. Cheers.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread - Valuetown
by Nova » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:22 pm

It's called Hold'em manager, and I believe it costs around $100. It's THE most useful thing you will ever buy for poker, without question. Just brilliant.

Oh and Sykes, I don't mind doing something like that, but I think we should set similar rules for moving up stakes etc. Maybe even sweat each other a bit! What's your roll?

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