The Poker Thread

Ecno wrote:

DML wrote:BTW, if guys wanna watch my Omaha - I'm in right now so you can dissect me to bits. Also in a 3.3 rebuy.

What site?

Stars.

Slayerx wrote:2nd in HU gonna post the last hand would like some feedback I think I should of got it all in on the flop.


Poker Stars $0.25+$0.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t75 - 2 players - View hand 293645
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

hankoes (BB): 37366
Hero (BTN/SB): 30134

Pre Flop: (t2550) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 8
Hero calls 800, hankoes checks

Flop: (t3350) Q J T (2 players)
hankoes bets 1600, Hero calls 1600

Turn: (t6550) 7 (2 players)
hankoes bets 1600, Hero raises to 26859 all in, hankoes calls 25259

River: (t60268) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t60268
hankoes shows J 2 (a pair of Jacks)
Hero shows 6 8 (high card Ace)
hankoes wins 60268

New page.

I'm rubbish at heads up so I'm probably wrong but I think shoving the flop would have been a good idea. You've got flush and gutshot draws if he calls so you're not in too bad shape, but hopefully he would just fold to the shove and you can pick up the pot.
Then again if he called the shove on the turn he probably would have called on the flop so the result would still have been the same.

I'll await the HU Machine to comment

Slayerx wrote:I'll await the HU Machine to comment

Well, I'm shite and don't know what I'm doing so....

DML wrote:

Slayerx wrote:I'll await the HU Machine to comment

Well, I'm shite and don't know what I'm doing so....

Well I want your input please DML.

It might seem like some of peoples comments, are personal I hope its not how you take them there meant to be helpful even though sometimes they don't come across that way.

Slayerx wrote:

DML wrote:

Slayerx wrote:I'll await the HU Machine to comment

Well, I'm shite and don't know what I'm doing so....

Well I want your input please DML.

It might seem like some of peoples comments, are personal I hope its not how you take them there meant to be helpful even though sometimes they don't come across that way.

I understand that they are trying....but I don't need the 'uh-oh' attitude that only I seem to get.

DML wrote:

Slayerx wrote:I'll await the HU Machine to comment

Well, I'm shite and don't know what I'm doing so....

Hey please don't be like that. I'm only trying to help you. From experience, I'd say you were just experiencing some good variance. Nobody can expect to just convert to Omaha and win easily. Thinking < 10 buyins for something where you probably get it AI more than with NHLE is probably not great. I am not saying you are not a good player or that you know nothing, I am sure you can do great. People here always stick behind you you know. Satriales was very generous with the staking that started your roll and now you actually have a sizeable amount I don't want to see it all go up in smoke. You have enough now to really begin playing but you cannot rush these things. Drumstick started with $50 on stars a LONG time ago and has slowly, but surely built this up to something much bigger just playing what he was comfortable with and keeping bankroll management in mind.

If you want to play Omaha there is nothing wrong with this but if possible I would suggest lower stakes and do a bit of reading. K883 unsuited is a 100% fold from all positions to be honest. In omaha having a pair in your hand doesn't actually carry that much value anymore unless it is AA. Even KKXX isn't a real monster hand anymore. The hands you should be playing are weighted more towards draws to connections and double suits or suited aces flop much harder. The types of flops that you do want to try and play aggressive on are ones where you have a set and a flush draw/straight draw or top two pair and a draw etc. Amazingly if you have KKJJ and flop a set of kings then turn a set of jacks you are a dog to someone who has a wrap and a double flush draw with only one card remaining. So even at the turn a double set can sometimes be the worse hand!

If you want to get better I think you need to be able to take criticism and understand it is simply a feedback system that allows people to adjust their game. Post lots of hands. If people disagree try to understand why and consider rethinking your game for the next time it happens. Don't just auto assuming we are saying "NO DML, YOU ARE STUPID" because we are not. I've played a fair bit of Omaha cash and if you want I willrecord an hour tonight of me playing 2 six max $10NL tables just so you can get an idea of the range of hands I play? I get the impression it might be different to you. Also people disagree with other people's hands lots. I've pretty much said Ecno played the last three hands or so that he posted very wrong. I think he tries to take this on board and apply it to the table. Slayer the same. He posted one the other day that didn't go too good and the one he just posted I dislike lots! Be more positive!

Anywho slayer hand. I think you are way too deep (ok I KNOW you are way too deep) to be pushing. I don't like calling pre. Min raise of fold IMO. In HU min raising the button forces them to play lots of bad hands OOP if they are a bad player. When he bets the flop you need to consider his range. You have to give him credit for SOME sort of hand but nothing wrong because his half pot bet doesn't look very value like. I always attribute half pot as trying to take the pot down with some sort of weak hand which makes the shove seem ok but I still think it's too deep and your equity in the hand probably isn't too great since he has already got pair + or on draws too. (Possibly better draw). I thnk either raising the flop to really challenge his weaker bet or giving up is fine. You can probably get a better spot. As played I just think turn is completely unnecessary since your equity vs his range is so low. I suppose you might think there is some fold equity which is why you shoved but I guess people are donkeys. I don't know if you had many reads on this guy but if J2 is in his calling range then tbh you should wait for a hand where you hit top pair and bet, bet, bet. Nice second place though.

Thanks Rex tbh I have very little HU experience its the weaker part of my game.

DML wrote:I understand that they are trying....but I don't need the 'uh-oh' attitude that only I seem to get.

I think if any of us had come in and said we were playing at the levels you are with the roll that you have then they would have got exactly the same advice. To be fair the hand you then posted up didn't really strengthen your case. I've watched you play Omaha a bit now and you seem to be doing well, it's hard to give you any advice as 1) I can't see what you are playing and 2) I don't really know much about Omaha.

The other thing is that I think you have a very different style of play to most of us, you certainly play much looser than people like Rex do so it is more likely that people will disagree with your play especially when looking at just one hand. It would be good if you could make a video so we could see you play over a period of time, I know I'd like to see one.

Rex McGee wrote:I've played a fair bit of Omaha cash and if you want I willrecord an hour tonight of me playing 2 six max $10NL tables just so you can get an idea of the range of hands I play?

Do want please.

Dates for GR series.....NOW. Lets just do it. End the delay and lets just get on with it.

Slayerx wrote:2nd in HU gonna post the last hand would like some feedback I think I should of got it all in on the flop.

Poker Stars $0.25+$0.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t75 - 2 players - View hand 293645
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

hankoes (BB): 37366
Hero (BTN/SB): 30134

Pre Flop: (t2550) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 8
Hero calls 800, hankoes checks

Flop: (t3350) Q J T (2 players)
hankoes bets 1600, Hero calls 1600

Turn: (t6550) 7 (2 players)
hankoes bets 1600, Hero raises to 26859 all in, hankoes calls 25259

River: (t60268) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t60268
hankoes shows J 2 (a pair of Jacks)
Hero shows 6 8 (high card Ace)
hankoes wins 60268

Shoving the flop is a better move as you have lots of outs. But if he calls you at the turn he calls you at the flop so the outcome is the same regardless.

DML: What Rex said. If we weren't concerned at you playing underrolled then we wouldn't be so close as we are as a group. After all the breaks you've experienced you now finally have a sizeable amount of money to play with and we just don't want to see you lose a big chunk of it when/if you start running badly. Nobody is calling you are stupid, etc, we are just looking out for you, it's all constructive criticism and none of it is meant maliciously. It's that simple. Regardless of what you choose to do the people here will continue to support you just as we do everyone else.

PsychicSykes wrote:

Rex McGee wrote:I've played a fair bit of Omaha cash and if you want I willrecord an hour tonight of me playing 2 six max $10NL tables just so you can get an idea of the range of hands I play?

Do want please.

Agreed!

DML wrote:Dates for GR series.....NOW. Lets just do it. End the delay and lets just get on with it.

Rich's laptop has been broken and he is the one in charge of organising it. Once he is able to come on more regularly we can start to agree dates. As it stands, the events will begin during the last week of October.

Shuffle up and deal.

Video made. Nothing that great tbh, fairly boring vid but done anyway. Rendering now and will upload maybe overnight since for some reason it totally lags my connection.

New WSOP episodes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV5BdDAIywA

Start from there.

What a time to grab a ten at the death! Now 2nd out of sixty!

Ok 13th out of 37 in this rebuy. This is gonna take some heart.

DML wrote:What a time to grab a ten at the death! Now 2nd out of sixty!

What tournamnet.


In other news I've been doing very well in my NL $10 cash game as in the space of 30 minutes I'm up $17 but about $6 of that was lucky (so a $12) swing when I though for no good reason (something I need to stop doing because it costs me alot of money sometimes) was trying to protect my BB with K9o and flopping top pair whilst the other guy had KQo but I called it down and got a 9 on the river.

Ecno wrote:

DML wrote:What a time to grab a ten at the death! Now 2nd out of sixty!

What tournamnet.


In other news I've been doing very well in my NL $10 cash game as in the space of 30 minutes I'm up $17 but about $6 of that was lucky (so a $12) swing when I though for no good reason (something I need to stop doing because it costs me alot of money sometimes) was trying to protect my BB with K9o and flopping top pair whilst the other guy had KQo but I called it down and got a 9 on the river.

3.3O rebuy - just search for lizzimba if ya wanna watch

DML wrote:

Ecno wrote:

DML wrote:What a time to grab a ten at the death! Now 2nd out of sixty!

What tournamnet.


In other news I've been doing very well in my NL $10 cash game as in the space of 30 minutes I'm up $17 but about $6 of that was lucky (so a $12) swing when I though for no good reason (something I need to stop doing because it costs me alot of money sometimes) was trying to protect my BB with K9o and flopping top pair whilst the other guy had KQo but I called it down and got a 9 on the river.

3.3O rebuy - just search for lizzimba if ya wanna watch

Didn't realise I could do that.