The Poker Thread

Rex McGee wrote:Pretty sure you are getting owned there.

Do people not bother to use some sort of equity calculator themselves anymore?

His hand is pretty often made here already or huge draw. The fact you have AA is not contributing at all, you just have a flush draw.

If you chuck in the low straight say 75 and then give him two more random cards without any spades (optimistic) and not giving him 2 diamonds for a backdoor (optimistic) say 7h5dKh2h then you are only 43%.

Give them bottom set (again not blocking your flush) and two completely gooseberry fool cards e.g. 6h6ckh2h and you are 36%.

You are only 54% vs Jd9d7s4s (backdoor flush + straight draws)

Exactly, which is why I just called on the flop when I had the odds, and folded to the turn pot bet.

Just btw: Was thinking about how I wanted to play 25NLHE/PLO, but couldn't get my roll past $260, when I got dealt into the Hand #64,864,000,000 at Celestia III 10PLO

Got all in with J893, flopped an open ender but missed, either way, made $530 off of the promotion and can now play at $25 level

What happens when you get dealt into one of those hands? Is there any warning -0 or do you just have to keep your eye on the ticker?

DML wrote:What happens when you get dealt into one of those hands? Is there any warning -0 or do you just have to keep your eye on the ticker?

They make a big announcement, in one of those yellow boxes. I almost missed it, but it covers the whole table, so you have a look at it. Then the moderator tells you everything about the hand, then commences it after about 5 minutes. So plenty of warning.

Nova wrote:

DML wrote:What happens when you get dealt into one of those hands? Is there any warning -0 or do you just have to keep your eye on the ticker?

They make a big announcement, in one of those yellow boxes. I almost missed it, but it covers the whole table, so you have a look at it. Then the moderator tells you everything about the hand, then commences it after about 5 minutes. So plenty of warning.

Well thats very good. How often is this pay out - every millionth hand?

Slayerx wrote:Yeah if he is anything like me when playing PL I like to pay one gap suited connectors in the same way limp see a flop and then put pressure on in postiton.

Well no net yet but i'm gonna try play a SNG after work tonight at low stakes if it goes well I'll try arrange a 4.40 180 man if there still popular on Stars?

You back now then?

DML wrote:

Nova wrote:

DML wrote:What happens when you get dealt into one of those hands? Is there any warning -0 or do you just have to keep your eye on the ticker?

They make a big announcement, in one of those yellow boxes. I almost missed it, but it covers the whole table, so you have a look at it. Then the moderator tells you everything about the hand, then commences it after about 5 minutes. So plenty of warning.

Well thats very good. How often is this pay out - every millionth hand?

Yep

Urgh. Made the final 45 of a 2418 man $11 on Stars. One guy raised, loose-ish fella calls and I shove over for about 18BB with JJ. First guy folds, second guy folds and shows 77. Flops a 7 So close to a FT-ish stack.

I lost 3.5 buyins at the Omaha tables last night. After reviewing the sesh I don't think I played all that well, had perhaps a little too much gamble, but I did get somewhat unlucky in a few spots. The biggest hand I played was when I had 6789ds in the big blind. It folded to the small blind who raises the pot. I 3bet the pot, he 4bets (so he obviously has AAxx) and I call in position. I flop two pair with an OESD and flush draws. Get it in as huge favourite (he had just bare aces, no draws), and it was looking pretty good until the river counterfeited me.

Drumstick wrote:I lost 3.5 buyins at the Omaha tables last night. After reviewing the sesh I don't think I played all that well, had perhaps a little too much gamble, but I did get somewhat unlucky in a few spots. The biggest hand I played was when I had 6789ds in the big blind. It folded to the small blind who raises the pot. I 3bet the pot, he 4bets (so he obviously has AAxx) and I call in position. I flop two pair with an OESD and flush draws. Get it in as huge favourite (he had just bare aces, no draws), and it was looking pretty good until the river counterfeited me.

I just had some mega swongs in Omaha myself. Down $100, then up $60, and ended just about breakeven. I need to tighten up my calling range a little on the river, sometimes I'm calling too much out of curiosity and thin value betting low FHs when it's pretty clear that I won't make any money from worse.

Yeah its too easy with Omaha to convince yourself to limp in with wacky hands convincing yourself you might catch something.

I at least try to have double suited 1 gappers as a minumim holding but its easy for that to go out the window if your on a fishy table with payoff wizards lol

Slayerx wrote:Yeah its too easy with Omaha to convince yourself to limp in with wacky hands convincing yourself you might catch something.

I at least try to have double suited 1 gappers as a minumim holding but its easy for that to go out the window if your on a fishy table with payoff wizards lol

Yeah that's true, but I actually meant calling range on the river. All too often I call a small bet on the turn and river with no real chance of winning the pot.

Me and Luw are off to a £20 semi-freezeout in Southampton tonight, sounds like there are going to be about 16 players. Might play cash instead, but will need £100.

Nova wrote:

Slayerx wrote:Yeah its too easy with Omaha to convince yourself to limp in with wacky hands convincing yourself you might catch something.

I at least try to have double suited 1 gappers as a minumim holding but its easy for that to go out the window if your on a fishy table with payoff wizards lol

Yeah that's true, but I actually meant calling range on the river. All too often I call a small bet on the turn and river with no real chance of winning the pot.

Me and Luw are off to a £20 semi-freezeout in Southampton tonight, sounds like there are going to be about 16 players. Might play cash instead, but will need £100.

Playing my regular rebuy tonight - can the cat go back to back?

Also - they are doing a 'fantasy league' thing for guessing the winners of each table in the Cup tomorrow....not ONE person has backed me to win my table.

This sums up my day:

4th for £100.

Nice dml . I ran jj into 22 on a 256 board against hyper aggro opponent, 88 against QQ on a qq662 board against the biggest fish I have ever played, and then when I got to the ft (somehow) I got ai on turn with T9 on a 8jqt board against kt, river ace. Fun way to lose 45 quid

I had AJ crack AQ last nite, and 9-3s crack AKs as well! Very lucky. It was annoying as i was briefly the big stack but went card dead, and the mini stacks doubled eight times, making me the shorty. Got it in with Q-8 with super hi blinds, snapped by AK. Hit an 8, but he hit an ace. Still...3 cashes on the trot!

I'm just looking through my HEM database to see where i'm losing the most money and when filtering hands by 'call 4bet' every single time I've called a 4bet with KK or QQ (and 50% of the times I've had AKs) my opponent has had AA

Edit: Possibly found a big leak:

If they have AA 50% of the time that's just run bad as their 4bet range probably isn't just AA/KK!

The other thing doesn't mean it is a leak. You are losing money from hands where you make top pair with a bad kicker OR worse hands. This includes all the flops where you miss. Clearly you will lose money here. How can you expect to be a long term winner over these hands? It's similar to how you are always going to be a losing player in the BB. Everyone is. You just need to make sure you win a load from later positions to counter it. I think half of all money made is from the BTN.

I do feel like i'm running bad in terms of always running into aces when I have kings and queens, so hopefully that will even out. You are right that you will always lose some money on flops that you miss, it just sounds like a lot when it says you are down $2300 on missed flops in a month at 25nl, but maybe it's normal.

Looking at my database a bit more, my biggest losing hands is easily AQo (-$280), then JJ (-$103), TT (-$74) and AKs is also a big loser (-$56). Briefly looking at some hands it seems like with JJ and TT I keep running into overpairs and with AQo i'm getting outflopped by hands such as 85 and Q9, so i'll need to look into all of that a bit closer.

Perhaps you can just try getting to showdown less with these hands. Your are getting there like 30% of the time you flop and winning few showdowns. You are winning on all other types of flop textures so perhaps playing tighter and floating less will reduce this loss and improve the overall winrate? I really don't know, just speculating.

I am going to continue skiing down my mountain of MTTs today.

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