Apple - iOS 7 Jailbreak Out

Festive Exception wrote:

Cuban Mistletoe Crisis wrote:They're as overpriced as any competing product in the £700-£1200 price range.

If you don't know what you're doing, the OS may feel restrictive. I reckon Steve's the sort of guy who might catch on quickly, and, like with anything, once you know how it all works, it suddenly opens up a lot more.

I could tell you now that I enabled the PHP binary and compiled a copy of MySQL from the command line so I could start designing websites again. Obviously we're not talking about trying to do things on a V-Tech computer with huge plastic animals for buttons, so if you think the OS is restrictive you really don't know the ins and outs of it.

I don't say that just because it's OS X (because that's the basis of your reply, FE, I know it), it's just common sense.

On topic, it'd be easier to just buy one and then ask what you can do after. I think it was St Nick who did this and we all had a lot of help to offer.

You could do the same job in Windows with less than half the effort and never needing to go to a command line.

You can put Windows on Mac but that's almost as pointless as buying one in the first place.

About once a month, I decide that I'd really, really like to get an iMac for home (I use them at work and I like them a lot), but each time I just look at the cost, and think about what it can do, and look at what kind of PC I could get for the same money.

But if you don't care about the cost, Steve, go for it.

massimo wrote:Drop me a message when you get it.

I'm still thinking about it

Just to get an idea on price, if I choose the 2.4GHz model (base price £1125), double the RAM to 4GB, change the 250GB drive for a 320 unit, add the AppleCare Protection Plan it comes to £1486.

What's this about a new OS next year? I read that a OS update can be applied like a patch only it costs £££'s...is that right?

Like I said, my Mac knowledge is 0.

Steve wrote:

massimo wrote:Drop me a message when you get it.

I'm still thinking about it

Just to get an idea on price, if I choose the 2.4GHz model (base price £1125), double the RAM to 4GB, change the 250GB drive for a 320 unit, add the AppleCare Protection Plan it comes to £1486.

What's this about a new OS next year? I read that a OS update can be applied like a patch only it costs £££'s...is that right?

Like I said, my Mac knowledge is 0.

I haven't heard about a new OS coming next year, but even if it did I'd still recommend getting one now with Leopard. Installing the latest OS by the way is also ridiculously easy.
Secondly, if you're going to spend that sort of money I'd suggest getting an iMac. I absolutely love mine. I have the 24 inch 3.06Ghz with 1Tb HDD and 4Gb Ram. Amazing machine. You could get something very similar for that money.
Applecare I have never used and never needed to, but I wouldn't criticise getting it for peace of mind.

Oh and if buy from the Apple Store you can take in your old laptop and they'll transfer everything over for you. You'd probably work out how to do it but they'll also give you the basics and what to do and you can go from there.

Edit:
£1,359 for a 24 inch iMac with 3.06Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 500Gig HDD, then add 2x2Gb Ram from Crucial.com/uk for £42.54 and you have an awesome machine. Upgrading Ram is also as easy as unscrewing two screws, slotting it in and voila.

Steve wrote:

massimo wrote:Drop me a message when you get it.

I'm still thinking about it

Just to get an idea on price, if I choose the 2.4GHz model (base price £1125), double the RAM to 4GB, change the 250GB drive for a 320 unit, add the AppleCare Protection Plan it comes to £1486.

What's this about a new OS next year? I read that a OS update can be applied like a patch only it costs £££'s...is that right?

Like I said, my Mac knowledge is 0.

Don't bother. Just get the base 2.4GHz model (if you want that), and buy your own larger hard drive and RAM afterwards. You won't get raped for cheap parts that way. Obviously a hard drive and some RAM doesn't cost the best part of £250.

And it's rumoured the new OS is out next year. It installs or upgrades just like Windows does, it's not a patch. That comes from the frequency of OS X's releases, which is questionable...

Festive Exception wrote:

Cuban Mistletoe Crisis wrote:They're as overpriced as any competing product in the £700-£1200 price range.

If you don't know what you're doing, the OS may feel restrictive. I reckon Steve's the sort of guy who might catch on quickly, and, like with anything, once you know how it all works, it suddenly opens up a lot more.

I could tell you now that I enabled the PHP binary and compiled a copy of MySQL from the command line so I could start designing websites again. Obviously we're not talking about trying to do things on a V-Tech computer with huge plastic animals for buttons, so if you think the OS is restrictive you really don't know the ins and outs of it.

I don't say that just because it's OS X (because that's the basis of your reply, FE, I know it), it's just common sense.

On topic, it'd be easier to just buy one and then ask what you can do after. I think it was St Nick who did this and we all had a lot of help to offer.

You could do the same job in Windows with less than half the effort and never needing to go to a command line.

And you can in OS X too. Surprise surprise!

massimo wrote:

Steve wrote:

massimo wrote:Drop me a message when you get it.

I'm still thinking about it

Just to get an idea on price, if I choose the 2.4GHz model (base price £1125), double the RAM to 4GB, change the 250GB drive for a 320 unit, add the AppleCare Protection Plan it comes to £1486.

What's this about a new OS next year? I read that a OS update can be applied like a patch only it costs £££'s...is that right?

Like I said, my Mac knowledge is 0.

I haven't heard about a new OS coming next year, but even if it did I'd still recommend getting one now with Leopard. Installing the latest OS by the way is also ridiculously easy.
Secondly, if you're going to spend that sort of money I'd suggest getting an iMac. I absolutely love mine. I have the 24 inch 3.06Ghz with 1Tb HDD and 4Gb Ram. Amazing machine. You could get something very similar for that money.
Applecare I have never used and never needed to, but I wouldn't criticise getting it for peace of mind.

Oh and if buy from the Apple Store you can take in your old laptop and they'll transfer everything over for you. You'd probably work out how to do it but they'll also give you the basics and what to do and you can go from there.

Well my "old" laptop is about 2.5 weeks old. The MacBook is just something for me to learn and mess around with.

I'm worried though, you make transferring data to the thing sound very unstraightforward Can't I just copy stuff to a USB HDD from my PC/laptop, plug it into the Mac and copy and paste it into a folder or doesn't it work like that?

Steve wrote:

massimo wrote:

Steve wrote:

massimo wrote:Drop me a message when you get it.

I'm still thinking about it

Just to get an idea on price, if I choose the 2.4GHz model (base price £1125), double the RAM to 4GB, change the 250GB drive for a 320 unit, add the AppleCare Protection Plan it comes to £1486.

What's this about a new OS next year? I read that a OS update can be applied like a patch only it costs £££'s...is that right?

Like I said, my Mac knowledge is 0.

I haven't heard about a new OS coming next year, but even if it did I'd still recommend getting one now with Leopard. Installing the latest OS by the way is also ridiculously easy.
Secondly, if you're going to spend that sort of money I'd suggest getting an iMac. I absolutely love mine. I have the 24 inch 3.06Ghz with 1Tb HDD and 4Gb Ram. Amazing machine. You could get something very similar for that money.
Applecare I have never used and never needed to, but I wouldn't criticise getting it for peace of mind.

Oh and if buy from the Apple Store you can take in your old laptop and they'll transfer everything over for you. You'd probably work out how to do it but they'll also give you the basics and what to do and you can go from there.

Well my "old" laptop is about 2.5 weeks old. The MacBook is just something for me to learn and mess around with.

I'm worried though, you make transferring data to the thing sound very unstraightforward Can't I just copy stuff to a USB HDD from my PC/laptop, plug it into the Mac and copy and paste it into a folder or doesn't it work like that?

You can do that.

Steve wrote:

massimo wrote:

Steve wrote:

massimo wrote:Drop me a message when you get it.

I'm still thinking about it

Just to get an idea on price, if I choose the 2.4GHz model (base price £1125), double the RAM to 4GB, change the 250GB drive for a 320 unit, add the AppleCare Protection Plan it comes to £1486.

What's this about a new OS next year? I read that a OS update can be applied like a patch only it costs £££'s...is that right?

Like I said, my Mac knowledge is 0.

I haven't heard about a new OS coming next year, but even if it did I'd still recommend getting one now with Leopard. Installing the latest OS by the way is also ridiculously easy.
Secondly, if you're going to spend that sort of money I'd suggest getting an iMac. I absolutely love mine. I have the 24 inch 3.06Ghz with 1Tb HDD and 4Gb Ram. Amazing machine. You could get something very similar for that money.
Applecare I have never used and never needed to, but I wouldn't criticise getting it for peace of mind.

Oh and if buy from the Apple Store you can take in your old laptop and they'll transfer everything over for you. You'd probably work out how to do it but they'll also give you the basics and what to do and you can go from there.

Well my "old" laptop is about 2.5 weeks old. The MacBook is just something for me to learn and mess around with.

I'm worried though, you make transferring data to the thing sound very unstraightforward Can't I just copy stuff to a USB HDD from my PC/laptop, plug it into the Mac and copy and paste it into a folder or doesn't it work like that?

Yes you can, the drive pops up, drag them into the folder and that's it.
The reason I mentioned going to the store really is just because they can show you the basics as you mentioned being totally new to macs.

Festive Exception wrote: - OSX is really restrictive if you're a computer nerd.

If on the other hand, all you want to do is your standard browse the internet, watch videos, chat, listen to music, keep a library of photos, use office, etc, you can't go wrong with a Mac.

My macbook is a dream to use, as fast now as the day I bought it (a year and a half ago), runs absolutely everything I want (I don't want to run games on it, and if anyone buys a mac expecting to, they're an idiot) and basically I don't have to faff around with things I don't want to like I had to on a PC. FE might call that restrictive, but I just see it as taking over things I don't want anyway. I haven't touched a firewall or AV since I bought the thing (It's built in firewall does the job fine), spyware is a nonissue and it runs all it's own maintenance scripts. Every now and then I rebuild my Spotlight* (search tool.) index and that makes it a bit smoother to search for files.

The only problem is I'm clueless with Vista now, and although I have no interest in it I'm always having to fix my family's PCs and it's a bit of a pain.


*Spotlight really is amazing though. You can bring it up by hitting Ctrl + Space and it's so fast I use it to hit files which are in my documents. And it searches their contents too if they're text based files, which is nice for searching through chat transcripts or just random bits of info. But as I say, I'm gooseberry fool with Vista so maybe it has something similar. The search in the start menu looks pretty cool, although I dunno how fast it is.

On the subject of USB HDDs, Mac OS has some funny Unix file system, and it doesn't recognise NTFS, so make sure your HD is formatted to FAT32.

Although because of the FAT32 thing, if you have any individual file over 5.5 gig or whatever the limit is it can be a bit of a problem but I can't think of anything that'd be that big.

Steve, maybe you should get a girlfriend?

As I told Anny last night i was supposed to get my top spec macbook this week. instead i have to buy a new fridge.

I am getting a new TV though. 37 inch Samsung mmmm.

Bethlehemster wrote:As I told Anny last night i was supposed to get my top spec macbook this week. instead i have to buy a new fridge.

I am getting a new TV though. 37 inch Samsung mmmm.

Have you ordered the Samsung yet? I'd go for the Panasonic instead.

I can't believe you bought a Sony Vaio


Sell that Vaio, and go for the Mac. Going to have to spend a lot though. Otherwise get another laptop which isn't Sony.


And Denster, don't go for the Samsung, go for the Panasonic.

Smokestack Lightning wrote:For what it's worth, I'm another vote for the MacBook, as I genuinely feel it's the best high-budget laptop on the market, Apple love aside.

The build quality and details of the hardware and the degree to which it complements the OS will continue to blow your mind months after you start using it.

As a web developer I've found it an incredibly accessible platform. On the other hand its desktop development tools are confusing (though bear in mind I know very little about desktop development anyway, so that's more my limitation than the OS').

I realise you already have a Sony now, but if you need it at any point you can easily run Windows in dual boot on any Mac. FE is bound to say now that you can run OS X on a PC too, but it requires hacking and almost always results in a dodgy, unstable OS.

As for the 'home' features, they're miles ahead of XP/Vista out of the box, with the exception of Front Row which, while appealing, isn't nearly as powerful as Media Center, mainly for lack of TV recording and such features (I believe those are on Apple TV instead).

Steve, as a rule of thumb, I advise you ignore any "advice" contributed by either Fatal Exception or FishFingers... PC and Mac fanboys respectively. The rest of us don't have petty agendas against either platform.

I don't have a petty agenda, I just don't like Macs. I have used them, if you just want to browse the net and listen to music they are great, but I found once the novelty of using another OS vanishes I'm left with lots of fustrating niggles.

Smokestack Lightning wrote:I'm sure that's the whole of it. Nothing to do with your perception of Mac users and self-perpetuated misinformation. Fair enough.

It seems you can't have negetive opinions of Apple Products without some arse defending them like their own spawn.

I have used them, I do not like them. I am entitled to that.

They're wonderfully hassle free. That alone is worth the premium to me. And they're not 'restrictive' at all. With features like AppleScript, Automator and the Terminal they're a lot more flexible than Windows in many respects.

Most Mac users have used (and still use) Windows machines extensively, this is less often the case the other way around. I have nothing against people who choose to use Windows machines, but people who rubbish the idea of buying a Mac based on misinformation and a lack of experience annoy me.

I use OS X, Windows and Linux (mostly Windows) and can see the benefits of all three OSs. If you've got the money and PC gaming isn't important to you then a Mac should be a very real consideration, certainly when looking for a laptop.

Harry Bizzle wrote:On the subject of USB HDDs, Mac OS has some funny Unix file system, and it doesn't recognise NTFS, so make sure your HD is formatted to FAT32.

Although because of the FAT32 thing, if you have any individual file over 5.5 gig or whatever the limit is it can be a bit of a problem but I can't think of anything that'd be that big.

It can read NTFS but not write, not until you install some drivers. Which is easy enough, but that's Microsoft's fault for not making NTFS an open standard, for whatever reason. It's all reverse engineering.

With Firefox for Mac, I assume all add-ons work ok?