Edge Issue 199 - Killzone 2 reviewed - let the games begin

PsychoPriest wrote:House of the Dead: Overkill - 8

What's this? The first good lightgun game in ages?

<]:^D wrote:

degoose wrote:

Eighthours wrote:

degoose wrote:So in all we will have to say that EDGE got this one "very wrong"

BUT YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE strawberry floating GAME.

Jesus.

im not basing it on me playing, im basing it on their thoughts of the review then with the score and compared to other games that received higher scores such as Halo 3 . To praise a game quite a lot but then give it a 7 is a bit strange and i think 7 is a good score but there are quite a few simple people out there who will read it and think 7 is gooseberry fool and not bother with it. Im sure the editors of EDGE are aware of this .

Jesus strawberry floating Christ

oh im sorry is there a problem with me comparing a futuristic shooter with multiplayer with another futuristic multiplayer. Thats just weird isnt it.

Gario wrote:

PsychoPriest wrote:House of the Dead: Overkill - 8

What's this? The first good lightgun game in ages?

no way that was Ghost Squad

suzzopher wrote:From the demos a 7 for both Halo Wars and Killzone 2 are about right. A 7 for flOwer though is just retarded the game is a 9 minimum. Great score for Race Pro I will get this once the price drops still though.

Edge often give lower scores than you'd think to downloadable games, they mention that its perhaps too limited for its own good and would benefit from having something like a speed run mode. Overall though its very positive.

On the Maw front, someone mentioned it, the problem with the game according to Edge is that it very poor value for money.

HSH28 wrote:

sw26 wrote:

HSH28 wrote:This is what people continue to just plain ignore. A 7 in Edge is a very good score. It is in fact a pretty high recommendation and would translate into at least an 8/high 80s score in just about any other publication you'd care to name.

So Edge's GTA4 and Halo 3 scores should really be showing up as 120 on Metacritic then?

Yeah...thats exactly what I said.

What happens is that lots of publications actually review over a smaller range (perhaps not on purpose), which results in the top end of the scale being pushed closer together. So you'll get a lot more 8s and 9s (or 85-100 if you are on a 100 point scale) than you will in Edge.

Its literally just a different scoring method. Thats all. When Edge give the game a 7 and somewhere else gives it a 9, it might actually be the same score in relation to the average marks they hand out (or at least it'll be much closer together than it might seem). And so Edge aren't 'getting it wrong' and its not even an example of different people thinking very different things about it.

This is also the reason metacritic and the like are often just plain wrong, they don't make much sense.

Yes I was being a bit pedantic there and taking a literal interpretation what you said about Edge's 7's being 'worth more' (for lack of a better term) than other publications. Your explanation holds up, so you're off the hook...for now.

HSH28 wrote:

suzzopher wrote:From the demos a 7 for both Halo Wars and Killzone 2 are about right. A 7 for flOwer though is just retarded the game is a 9 minimum. Great score for Race Pro I will get this once the price drops still though.

Edge often give lower scores than you'd think to downloadable games, they mention that its perhaps too limited for its own good and would benefit from having something like a speed run mode. Overall though its very positive.

On the Maw front, someone mentioned it, the problem with the game according to Edge is that it very poor value for money.

They only gave Pixel Junk Eden a 7 didn't they? Which is easily a 9 minimum.

Can you imagine if they re-reviewed Burnout Paradise based on all the updates? That has to be a 10 due to the amount of content.

HSH28 wrote:

suzzopher wrote:From the demos a 7 for both Halo Wars and Killzone 2 are about right. A 7 for flOwer though is just retarded the game is a 9 minimum. Great score for Race Pro I will get this once the price drops still though.

Edge often give lower scores than you'd think to downloadable games, they mention that its perhaps too limited for its own good and would benefit from having something like a speed run mode. Overall though its very positive.

On the Maw front, someone mentioned it, the problem with the game according to Edge is that it very poor value for money.

If Flower had a speed run mode I would cry. That is entirely not the point of Flower.

Dave wrote:If Flower had a speed run mode I would cry. That is entirely not the point of Flower.

If it had that as well? Or something that recorded your skill in some way and perhaps had a Leaderboard...surely it would only give you more reason to go back and play such a wonderful game more...

...not sure how that could be seen as a bad thing.

I actually agree with almost all of EDGE's scores, I didn't enjoy ME, Fallout, Assassin's Creed after they got 7s, I expect I won't think much of Killzone 2 either. Conversely I've loved all of the recent 10s, which a fair few people have disagreed with, despite the overwhelming popular opinion.

Perhaps, I have a similarly jaded industry view as the EDGE reviewers. *shrugs*

I don't think an Edge 10 has been deserved since Super Mario Galaxy but LBP, GTAIV and Halo 3 are all solid 9s though.

Might as well post the classic

Eighthours wrote:Interestingly, considering all the outrage, the vast, vast, vast majority of On The Edge players thought the game would score an 8. Now, is that people voting one mark lower than they thought it probably deserved because of Edge's reputation, or them actually voting with what they thought it was worth? Only one mark off the proper score!

For me it was the former...I just knew EDGE wouldn't give it more than 8. I have been saying for the last two weeks in the official Killzone 2 thread that they will most probably score it a 7...just wish I had changed my score in the On The EDGE topic now - missed out on some well needed points.

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degoose wrote:

<]:^D wrote:

degoose wrote:

Eighthours wrote:

degoose wrote:So in all we will have to say that EDGE got this one "very wrong"

BUT YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE ******* GAME.

Jesus.

im not basing it on me playing, im basing it on their thoughts of the review then with the score and compared to other games that received higher scores such as Halo 3 . To praise a game quite a lot but then give it a 7 is a bit strange and i think 7 is a good score but there are quite a few simple people out there who will read it and think 7 is **** and not bother with it. Im sure the editors of EDGE are aware of this .

Jesus ******* Christ

oh im sorry is there a problem with me comparing a futuristic shooter with multiplayer with another futuristic multiplayer. Thats just weird isnt it.

I actually agree with you degoose. EDGE 7 may actually do some harm. Us lot know how EDGE operate but a some people will read the review and reconsider, one way or another, if it's still a worthy purchase.

I bet SCEE aren't too happy with that score, especially considering that so many other publications hold it in high regard. EDGE being off-the-shelf as usual though eh.

I have never understood why some people hold EDGE in such high regard. They have dropped some absolutely criminal clangers in the past. I remember back when they reviews F1:CE during the PS3 launch and the review was a disgrace as they clearly hadn't put hardly any time into playing it.

Having played the Killzone demo, I would find it very hard to score the game higher than a 7 as it didn't seem like any work had been done to put in a credible plot and story. People criticise Halo for the plot, but Killzone seemed like it had been written by a 15 year old.

A score of 7 out of 10 does not indicate it doesn't play well, and from reading their summary EDGE don't seem to suggest that. My take is that the game plays very well but Guerrilla seems to have put minimal effort into the story and for that you have to mark the game down slightly. Seems fair to me.

I'll still be getting it, it plays fantastic from the demo. My excitement hasn't been quelled at all.

captain red dog wrote:I have never understood why some people hold EDGE in such high regard. They have dropped some absolutely criminal clangers in the past. I remember back when they reviews F1:CE during the PS3 launch and the review was a disgrace as they clearly hadn't put hardly any time into playing it.

Having played the Killzone demo, I would find it very hard to score the game higher than a 7 as it didn't seem like any work had been done to put in a credible plot and story. People criticise Halo for the plot, but Killzone seemed like it had been written by a 15 year old.

A score of 7 out of 10 does not indicate it doesn't play well, and from reading their summary EDGE don't seem to suggest that. My take is that the game plays very well but Guerrilla seems to have put minimal effort into the story and for that you have to mark the game down slightly. Seems fair to me.

I'll still be getting it, it plays fantastic from the demo. My excitement hasn't been quelled at all.

EuroGamers Ferrari Challenge review is flawed too. Sounded like they didn't play the game on any of the harder difficulties.

The problem is that other games in the FPS genre get high score yet have a shitty story/narrative too. Crackdown got it right...'Here's your strawberry floating playground now go raise hell'. Would that work in a FPS game though?

captain red dog wrote:I have never understood why some people hold EDGE in such high regard. They have dropped some absolutely criminal clangers in the past. I remember back when they reviews F1:CE during the PS3 launch and the review was a disgrace as they clearly hadn't put hardly any time into playing it.

Having played the Killzone demo, I would find it very hard to score the game higher than a 7 as it didn't seem like any work had been done to put in a credible plot and story. People criticise Halo for the plot, but Killzone seemed like it had been written by a 15 year old.

A score of 7 out of 10 does not indicate it doesn't play well, and from reading their summary EDGE don't seem to suggest that. My take is that the game plays very well but Guerrilla seems to have put minimal effort into the story and for that you have to mark the game down slightly. Seems fair to me.

I'll still be getting it, it plays fantastic from the demo. My excitement hasn't been quelled at all.

Does The House of the Dead: Overkill have a good story? Having not yet played it, I couldn't comment.

captain red dog wrote:I have never understood why some people hold EDGE in such high regard. They have dropped some absolutely criminal clangers in the past. I remember back when they reviews F1:CE during the PS3 launch and the review was a disgrace as they clearly hadn't put hardly any time into playing it.

The thing is, while it's obviously not the same team in charge, Edge has outlasted every other mag out there by far. It's been dropping the odd clanger since the start ("If only you could talk to the monsters. Now that would be interesting." [Doom. 6/10]), but if you were to tally up all such reviews compared to the amount of times they've been fair, you'd probably end up with a ratio far better than most shorter lived magazines. No publication is ever going to match everyone's opinion, but I'd argue that Edge generally justify their scores perfectly in the actual text.

A seven is a decent score, and it's quite bizarre to see so many people seemingly appalled by it when they haven't even played the game in question, just because it's not exactly the same as some other scores. Based on the demo I can already see examples of some stuff that could let the game downslightly, most notably the dialogue and environments, and I've got my own issues with Halo Wars that will probably be brought up in that review too. I still really enjoyed both demos in spite of their faults, and no number on a piece of paper is likely to change that.

I can tell from the demo that I am going to love Killzone 2.

I rated Resistance 2 and COD WAW a lot higher than Edge gave them (6).

I am disappointed that Edge doesn't mirror my taste in games as much as it used to, but

ho hum, life goes on!